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[alen]

@Tomo
Ako bas insistiras da zadrzis FP10,RME ADI-2 bi sasvim korektno legao u tu pricu.
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_adi_2.php

Posto kazes da dosta koristis spoljni procesing,a vec imas par pristojnih preampa,ja bih se otarasio FP10 i razmislio o mozda Lynx Aurora 8. Sa time bi imao opciju 8xAD konvertora za usnimavanja a pri mixu mozes konfigurisati varijantu 2+6,recimo da dva kanala koristis za monitoring a 6 ti ostaje za external procesing.U cubase-u recimo napravis konfiguracije za 6 external FX-s i imas ih svih 6 u radu na insertima gde ti sta treba i 6 outboard sprava koristis istovremeno....

Edit:moja greska,ADI-2 nema SPDIF tako da otpada u kombinaciji sa FP-10.Pogledaj ima li sta od dvakanalnih opcija i kod http://www.blacklionaudio.com/content.php?p=29

[alen]

U opciji dvokanalnog AD/DA konvertora i ovo treba biti jako zanimljivo ali ne znam dali je izasao u prodaju:

http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=59

[tomo]

pa koliko vidim ADI-2 ima spdif in & out.
nego mene zanima da li kod konvertera
se mogu koristiti istovremeno i spdif i XLR,
AD i DA. zbog ?ema koje sam naveo za outboard
procesiranje.

budem čekirao i ostale preporuke. tenks!

nikolaivanic, i?ao bih na konvertere, napisao sam već to,
kao i ?to imam od opreme. sa BM6a sam prezadovoljan.
dvojba mi je bila između mikrofona, preampova i konvertera
i nakon par postova sam stavio odluku na konvertere...

[alen]

Moja greska za ADI-2,nisam video SPDIF,sorry..
Nemam konkretne prakse sa ADI-2,cuo sam samo kako zvuci ali po elementarnoj logici trebao bi da radi istovremeno konverziju u oba pravca.Da dobije signal na SPDIF in,prosledi ga na XLR uz istovremeno da primi signal sa XLR-a i vrati na SPDIF out.Vecina konvertora radi istovremene konverzije u oba pravca,verovatno i ADI ali svakako je bolje da neko sa foruma,ko ima prakse sa ADI-2 to i potvrdi.

[nikolaivanic]

m audio 1010 rack

10 x 10 24-bit/96kHz full-duplex recording interface

8 x 8 analog I/O on balanced/unbalanced 1/4? TRS

S/PDIF digital I/O (coaxial) with 2-channel PCM

SCMS serial copy management control

digital I/O supports surround-encoded AC-3 and DTS pass-through

up to 24-bit/96kHz fidelity

1 x 1 MIDI I/O

analog outs can directly drive up to 7.1 surround

+4dBu/-10dBV operation individually switched on rack-mount unit

word clock I/O for sample-accurate device synchronization

software-controlled 36-bit internal DSP digital mixing/routing

zero-latency monitoring

Apple G5 compatible - Incompatible exceptions

includes Ableton Live Lite music production software, so you can make music right away

Specifications

frequency response:	20Hz-22kHz, +/-0.3dB
dynamic range (A-weighted):	109dB (A/D), 117dB (D/A)
signal-to-noise ratio (A-weighted):	-109 dB (A/D), -117dB (D/A)
THD +N:	0.00072% (A/D), 0.00200% (D/A)

ADI-2
is a both compact and extremely flexible 2-Channel Hi-End AD/DA-converter. The small 9.5" unit offers top notch AD/DA-conversion from/to SPDIF, AES and ADAT, at up to 192 kHz. Its ability to use SPDIF, AES and ADAT format provides outstanding compatibility. Whatever it is - simply get connected!
Key features of this extraordinary flexible converter are balanced inputs and outputs, monitoring via headphone out, SteadyClock for optimal converter quality, 3-stage hardware input and output level control, and its capability to run on a wide range of power supplied.
Tech Specs

Input AD: 1/4" TRS jack and XLR via Neutrik combo jacks, servo-balanced, completely symmetrical, DC-coupled signal path
Output AD: ADAT optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial, AES/EBU compatible
Input DA: ADAT optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial, AES/EBU compatible
Output DA: 1/4" TRS jack and XLR, servo-balanced, DC-coupled signal path
Dynamic range AD: 110 dB RMS unweighted, 113 dBA
THD AD: < -110 dB (< 0.00032%)
THD+N AD: < -104 dB (< 0.00063%)
Crosstalk AD: > 110 dB
Dynamic range DA: 116 dB RMS unweighted, 119 dBA (unmuted)
THD DA: < -103 dB (< 0.0007 %)
THD+N DA: < -100 dB (< 0.001 %)
Crosstalk DA: > 110 dB
Input/Output level, 0 dBFS @ Hi Gain: +19 dBu
Input/Output level, 0 dBFS @ +4 dBu: +13 dBu
Input/Output level, 0 dBFS @ -10 dBV: +2 dBV
Sample rate internally: 32, 44.1, 48, 64, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz, 128, 176.4, 192 kHz
Sample rate externally: 28 kHz - 200 kHz
Frequency response AD/DA, -0.1 dB: 5 Hz - 21.5 kHz (sf 48 kHz)
Frequency response AD/DA, -0.5 dB: < 5 Hz - 43.5 kHz (sf 96 kHz)
Frequency response AD/DA, -1 dB: < 5 Hz - 70 kHz (sf 192 kHz)
Accepted power supply voltage DC 8 V - 28 V, AC 8 V - 20
Dimensions 215 x 44 x 130 mm
Warranty: 2 years

[tomo]

Originally Posted by nikolaivanic

m audio 1010 rack

Specifications


ADI-2
is a both compact and extremely flexible 2-Channel Hi-End AD/DA-converter. The small 9.5" unit offers top notch AD/DA-conversion from/to SPDIF, AES and ADAT, at up to 192 kHz. Its ability to use SPDIF, AES and ADAT format provides outstanding compatibility. Whatever it is - simply get connected!
Key features of this extraordinary flexible converter are balanced inputs and outputs, monitoring via headphone out, SteadyClock for optimal converter quality, 3-stage hardware input and output level control, and its capability to run on a wide range of power supplied.
Tech Specs

Input AD: 1/4" TRS jack and XLR via Neutrik combo jacks, servo-balanced, completely symmetrical, DC-coupled signal path
Output AD: ADAT optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial, AES/EBU compatible
Input DA: ADAT optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial, AES/EBU compatible
Output DA: 1/4" TRS jack and XLR, servo-balanced, DC-coupled signal path
Dynamic range AD: 110 dB RMS unweighted, 113 dBA
THD AD: < -110 dB (< 0.00032%)
THD+N AD: < -104 dB (< 0.00063%)
Crosstalk AD: > 110 dB
Dynamic range DA: 116 dB RMS unweighted, 119 dBA (unmuted)
THD DA: < -103 dB (< 0.0007 %)
THD+N DA: < -100 dB (< 0.001 %)
Crosstalk DA: > 110 dB
Input/Output level, 0 dBFS @ Hi Gain: +19 dBu
Input/Output level, 0 dBFS @ +4 dBu: +13 dBu
Input/Output level, 0 dBFS @ -10 dBV: +2 dBV
Sample rate internally: 32, 44.1, 48, 64, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz, 128, 176.4, 192 kHz
Sample rate externally: 28 kHz - 200 kHz
Frequency response AD/DA, -0.1 dB: 5 Hz - 21.5 kHz (sf 48 kHz)
Frequency response AD/DA, -0.5 dB: < 5 Hz - 43.5 kHz (sf 96 kHz)
Frequency response AD/DA, -1 dB: < 5 Hz - 70 kHz (sf 192 kHz)
Accepted power supply voltage DC 8 V - 28 V, AC 8 V - 20
Dimensions 215 x 44 x 130 mm
Warranty: 2 years

ovo su karakteristike. tu ne pi?e ono ?to sam pitao.

[nikolaivanic]

spdif istovremeno moze dati ulaz i izlaz. jedan cinch je za stereo in, drugi za out, takodje i opticki in/out
adi:
Output AD: ADAT optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial, AES/EBU compatible
Input DA: ADAT optical or SPDIF optical, SPDIF coaxial, AES/EBU compatible

[tomo]

Originally Posted by alen

Moja greska za ADI-2,nisam video SPDIF,sorry..

ma nema frke.

Originally Posted by alen

Nemam konkretne prakse sa ADI-2,cuo sam samo kako zvuci ali po elementarnoj logici trebao bi da radi istovremeno konverziju u oba pravca.Da dobije signal na SPDIF in,prosledi ga na XLR uz istovremeno da primi signal sa XLR-a i vrati na SPDIF out.Vecina konvertora radi istovremene konverzije u oba pravca,verovatno i ADI ali svakako je bolje da neko sa foruma,ko ima prakse sa ADI-2 to i potvrdi.

da, i meni logika govori da bi trebao moći i van i unutra, i digitalno i analogno.
ako netko zna iz prve ruke za ADI-2 ili neki drugi konverter ili način za takvo ne?to bio bih veoma zahvalan na informaciji/prijedlogu.

[nikolaivanic]

Originally Posted by alen

@Tomo
Ako bas insistiras da zadrzis FP10,RME ADI-2 bi sasvim korektno legao u tu pricu.
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_adi_2.php

Posto kazes da dosta koristis spoljni procesing,a vec imas par pristojnih preampa,ja bih se otarasio FP10 i razmislio o mozda Lynx Aurora 8. Sa time bi imao opciju 8xAD konvertora za usnimavanja a pri mixu mozes konfigurisati varijantu 2+6,recimo da dva kanala koristis za monitoring a 6 ti ostaje za external procesing.U cubase-u recimo napravis konfiguracije za 6 external FX-s i imas ih svih 6 u radu na insertima gde ti sta treba i 6 outboard sprava koristis istovremeno....

Edit:moja greska,ADI-2 nema SPDIF tako da otpada u kombinaciji sa FP-10.Pogledaj ima li sta od dvakanalnih opcija i kod http://www.blacklionaudio.com/content.php?p=29

Slican predlog - jeftin a cool
Ako uzmes delta rack (pci slot) koja ima izuzetno cist ton, imas alternativu za presonus u snimanju, ili dodatnih 8 ulaz/izlaza u snimanju, ili 8 send/8 ret..
kasnije, ako ti vise lezi delta, batalis presonus, prodas i kupis samo neki stereo vrhunski adda za recording bitnih instrumenata na 2 kanala (vokala napr...), mada sama delta uz dobro predpojacalo razbija..

ps. da li snimas cisto ili vec zamasceno?
po meni je bolja opcija ici cisto (osim gde nisi 100% siguran u zvuk da je taj) pa kasnije u procesingu ponovo provlaciti kroz adekvatna predpojacala, overdrivove, zamascivace... jer onda mozes da biras, odustajes... menjas.