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Unread 07-04-2012, 08:48 PM   #1
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Default Kompresor na insertu (snimanje vokala)

Dakle, dobio sam mišljenje od znalca (ne onog kojeg ja znam, nego onog koji zna), ali volio bih čut i drugo mišljenje..
Dakle, interesira me da li se u praksi koristi hardware kompresor na insertu kod snimanja vokala da nježno lagano, gotovo nečujno pegla signal koji se snima? Ako da, zašto da, ako ne, zašto ne?
Ili u tu svrhu koristiti limiter?
Pričam o 1-2 kanalnim kompresorima u rangu oko 450eur.
Hvala na odgovorima.
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Unread 07-04-2012, 08:57 PM   #2
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"If you have an analogue compressor, perhaps as part of a voice channel, then adding a little compression during recording is a good idea, helping to even out the signal levels and also maintaining a good signal-to-noise ratio by using up more of the available recording headroom more of the time. A compressor can also prevent the singer from overloading the input of your recorder, and this is particularly important with digital recorders which can produce ugly distortion if their A-D converters are clipped. Nevertheless, remember that it's not easy to reverse the effects of overcompression, so err on the side of undercompressing — you can always add more in the mix if you need to.

If you're using a digital recording system then any compression you do during recording should be carried out in the analogue domain in order to get the best out of your A-D converters. Compressing in the digital domain during recording will have no audible benefits over doing this same processing during mix down, so it is probably best left until then."

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Drugi odomak bas ne kuzim (s engleskim sam na vi)
Kako bih ja to sve preveo, kaze DA za koristenje kompresora kod snimanja prije a/d..?
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kaze.. ako si u digitalnom domenu, najbolje da ne trosis pare na analogne kompresore nego da usnimis clean, pa koristis sto bolje VST kompresore, a te pare potrosis na sto bolji mic... preamp... pivo... pihtije... kolenice...
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Unread 08-04-2012, 10:43 AM   #5
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Pri snimanju vokala pozeljno je koristiti kompresor. Pevaci retko znaju da odrze dinamiku, cesto se pomeraju, okrecu glavu dok pevaju, odjednom pocnu pevati dvaputa jace itd.
Kompresor smanjuje uticaj takvih promena dinamike i omogucuje da se glas snimi sa dosta visokim nivoom uz umanjenu opasnost da signal ode u klipovanje na ad konverteru. Visoko (-6/-3db) snimljeni vokal smanjuje uticaj shuma kartice.

Limiter NIJE dobar za tu namenu jer samo secka vrhove signala tj unosi izoblicenja.

Upotreba soft kompresora je ok ali ne dobija se prednost glasno snimljenog vokala jer NE SMANJUJE uticaj promene dinamike pre ad konvertera pa se radi sigurnosti glas mora snimiti sa nizim nivoom signala radi sprecavanja klipovanja ad convertera.
Pri tome ne treba koristiti vst compresor jel se to moze uraditi i u mixu.

http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthre...t=21847&page=5

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Unread 08-04-2012, 03:22 PM   #6
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Upravo to sam mislio, nabacit neki na insert prije ad konv., da pazi na dinamiku lagano, ali sam dobio savjet za ne, iz razloga ako komprimirani snimak kasnije u mixu zelim komprimirati jos malo, onda to malo nece bit malo.. Tako nekako.
A sad preporuka, koji budget kompresor u tu svrhu?
Alesis 3632 ili Drawmer mxpro30?
Razlikuju se u cijeni, a interesira me da li bi odradili jednako ovaj posao o kojem pricamo?

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3:1 ratio ce biti ok.. kompresija oko 6-8db u maximumu, treshold verovatno oko -20db... auto...
meni je stari behr composer radio dobro za takve stvari, ima hard bypass...

hitech mi je nepoznat

cuo sam da se zale na taj alesis... stariji dbx su ok

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Unread 08-04-2012, 03:48 PM   #8
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Ah, koji su stariji dbx?
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dbx 160/166a
kazu da xl popuje na tresholdu

ART PRO VLA
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProVLA2

Behringer MDX2600... ima svasta na njemu, ok za taj posao

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adami će bit prioritet pa idem na neku jeftinu verziju kompresora;
što se žale na alesis, čitam po netu za te pare da radi..
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