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Old 16-09-2011, 02:37 PM   #41
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Ne razumem se u Behringer i nemam pojma kako radi, ali to "odsecanje" koje ti stalno zove? limitingom je "clipping", ?to je samo jedna od vrsta brickwall limitinga. Zato sam i reagovao na celu ovu prepisku.

Ono o čemu priča Psionic je brickwall limiting bez clippinga, ali to je i dalje limiting. I tu nema "horizontalnih crta" (osim ako ih nije bilo u originalnom zapisu, naravno), a signal i dalje NIKAD ne prelazi 0dBFS, zahvaljujući look-ahead funkciji i odnosu ∞:1. ?to je Granata pomenuo jo? negde pri samom početku debate. A sve skupa spada pod kompresiju, da budem precizniji - pod "gain reduction". Kompresija, limiting, upward compression... su derivati istog principa.
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Old 16-09-2011, 02:45 PM   #42
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JBT covece, jel toliko tesko da otvoris link ?! I na kraju, kad se vec drzis ideje LIMITINGA kao pijan plota, taj izraz ne mora da se odnosi na PIKOVE, koji su presli treshold pa su podvrgnuti kompresiji od 1:1000. Sta kazes na pojam VREME ? Limiter moze da radi i kao limiter neke srednje snage signala u nekom vremenskom periodu (RMS) i to je LIMITING... Samo ne HARD. Procitaj ono - molio bih te...
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Old 16-09-2011, 03:57 PM   #43
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Brickwall?
To je samo rec...
Brickwall bez clippinga je izraz koja podrazumeva kompresor koji ima compression ratio od ~∞:1, i look-ahead funkciju. To čisto da podebljam i podvučem ono što nisam podebljao prošli put.

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Old 16-09-2011, 07:02 PM   #44
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Pozdrav Braco po oruzju

Da se vratimo na pocetak tj moj prvi tekst na koji je reagovao Psionic..

Moj text (#18):
U principu, potrebno je da komprimujes mix, prvo probas sa 1;4-1;6..
neki posle dodatno komprimuju sa 1;10 (neka vrsta limitera)

Komprimovanje oduzima visoke pa mozes to popraviti sa nekim eq.
Na kraju stavis limiter da samo ponekad na najglasnijem odseca.

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Serial compression is a technique used in sound recording and mixing. Serial compression is achieved by using two fairly different compressors in a signal chain. One compressor will generally stabilize the dynamic range while the other will more aggressively compress stronger peaks.
Done properly, even heavy serial compression can sound very natural in a way not possible with a single compressor.

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One technique to reduce the severity of this effect is to set a slightly longer attack time on the compressor, to allow the attack of the hi-hat to get through before the gain reduction occurs. This is only a partial solution, and if heavy compression is applied to a full mix, the overall sound can become dull, as the high-frequency detail is reduced in level.


Moj tekst (# 20)
Postoje i multiband kompresori koji uz dobru postavku resavaju oba pitanja cak sa superiornim rezultatima ali treba dosta vezbe sa njima.

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More elaborate compressors have been designed which split the signal into two or more frequency bands and compress these separately. This neatly avoids the bass end causing the high end to be needlessly compressed, but it can introduce other problems related to phase, unless the design is extremely well thought-out.

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Old 16-09-2011, 07:18 PM   #45
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Pozdrav Braco po oruzju

Da se vratimo na pocetak tj moj prvi tekst na koji je reagovao Psionic...
Aj batali, vazi ? Reagovali su svi redom, ali ne vredi. Moze li kljuc please ili cete se nacitati jako ruznih postova ovde.
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Old 16-09-2011, 07:30 PM   #46
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE8t7...eature=related
aj vazi...

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Old 16-09-2011, 07:59 PM   #47
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Pozdrav Braco po oruzju

Da se vratimo na pocetak tj moj prvi tekst na koji je reagovao Psionic..

Moj text (#18):
U principu, potrebno je da komprimujes mix, prvo probas sa 1;4-1;6..
neki posle dodatno komprimuju sa 1;10 (neka vrsta limitera)

Komprimovanje oduzima visoke pa mozes to popraviti sa nekim eq.
Na kraju stavis limiter da samo ponekad na najglasnijem odseca.

Wikipedia
Serial compression is a technique used in sound recording and mixing. Serial compression is achieved by using two fairly different compressors in a signal chain. One compressor will generally stabilize the dynamic range while the other will more aggressively compress stronger peaks.
Done properly, even heavy serial compression can sound very natural in a way not possible with a single compressor.

SoundOnSound
One technique to reduce the severity of this effect is to set a slightly longer attack time on the compressor, to allow the attack of the hi-hat to get through before the gain reduction occurs. This is only a partial solution, and if heavy compression is applied to a full mix, the overall sound can become dull, as the high-frequency detail is reduced in level.


Moj tekst (# 20)
Postoje i multiband kompresori koji uz dobru postavku resavaju oba pitanja cak sa superiornim rezultatima ali treba dosta vezbe sa njima.

SoundOnSound
More elaborate compressors have been designed which split the signal into two or more frequency bands and compress these separately. This neatly avoids the bass end causing the high end to be needlessly compressed, but it can introduce other problems related to phase, unless the design is extremely well thought-out.

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kakvo smaranje...
glupe li rasprave.

ti sad pokushavash da kazeshda tvoje tvrdnje potvrdjuju i ti chlanci?
al tu je samo ochigledno da to se shto si ti pisao ne podudara sa tim chlancima.

ti kazesh da je potrebno da koristi serijsku kompresiju, shto nije istina.
ne mora, zavisi od materijala i afiniteta.
ti chlanci lepo kazu da se serijskom kompresijom mogu postici dobri ili bolji rezultati, nigde ne pishe da tako mora.

ti kazesh da kompresija oduzima visoke, shto nije tachno.
moze ali uglavnom ne oduzima.
i taj chlanak lepo kaze da kompresija moze da prigushi visoke.
a prigushice ih samo ako se preklapaju sa glasnijim delovima bassa ili srednjih.
zato postoji multiband, o kome niko ovde nije ni raspravljao.

i da,
odsecanje = odstranjivanje dela
kompresija (kao i limiting koji je isto shto i kompresija 1:beskonachno sa attackom 0) = sabijanje
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Evo svezih iskustava sa komprimovanjem:
http://rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35797&page=5

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Zvijer je prekrasna.
Radio sam sidechain sa SSl-ovim channel kompresorima i cijeli mix preko quad kompresora.
Dosta visokih pojede pa se mora kompenzirati u masteringu.
Kompresori rade fantasticno..."

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