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Old 14-11-2011, 05:43 AM   #11
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Ne, mislim na peak vrednosti, jer se sve sabira, pa ako ne pazis, lako zavrsis sa overom na master busu.
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Old 17-11-2011, 02:39 PM   #12
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ne, mislim na peak vrednosti, jer se sve sabira, pa ako ne pazis, lako zavrsis sa overom na master busu.
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Old 17-11-2011, 05:25 PM   #13
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sta to znaci?
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Old 17-11-2011, 06:36 PM   #14
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sta to znaci?
Da se ne slazem sa tom izjavom..
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Old 18-11-2011, 02:49 PM   #15
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To sam skapirao. Mozes li da pojasnis i zasto?
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Old 18-11-2011, 06:02 PM   #16
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To sam skapirao. Mozes li da pojasnis i zasto?
Valjda zato ?to "overen master" mo?e? da sti?a?. I zato ?to danas (kad je čak i PT pre?ao na 32-bit floating point re?im rada) mo?e? VEOMA MNOGO da sti?a? Master Fader bez čujnih gubitaka u kvalitetu zvuka. A u slučaju 64-bit floating point DAW mo?e? NENORMALNO MNOGO da ga sti?a? bez čujnih gubitaka.

Evo dva testa (u zajedničkoj arhivi) - prvi je projekat za Nuendo 4 (32-bit float), drugi za Reaper 4 (64-bit float):

http://www.box.com/s/utvfyidchegvldq00ysr

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P.S. Ako ikome bude palo na pamet da radi "null test", tj, da obrće faze i slično (): prvo uradite NORMALIZE renderovanih fajlova (recimo na -0,1dBFS peak) pa tek onda sabirajte i oduzimajte I naravno podesite softver u kom merite na maksimalnu rezoluciju (bar preko 120dB)
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Old 18-11-2011, 06:48 PM   #17
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To sam skapirao. Mozes li da pojasnis i zasto?
Zato sto preporucujes preniske nivoe u doba kada u svakom daw-u imas mogucnost gotovo neogranicenog virtualnog headrooma sta je i awacs spomenuo.. Osim toga kalibracija koju si naveo odnosi se na dBFS RMS, a ne dBFS.
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Old 18-11-2011, 06:55 PM   #18
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Ja to znam, ali sam mislio na pluginove.

I na drugim mestima na netu sam nasao da dosta je pluginova optimizovano da najbolje radi na -18dBFS. To nije potvrdjeno, al uglavnom, poenta je ne klipovati interno ulaze pluginova (sem ako nisu modelovani za to), jer mnogi zvuce gore ako im se klipuju inputi. Ako si klipovao npr. ulaz kompresora X +10dbFS, stisavanjem njegovog izlaza za 10dbFS neces dobiti isti rezultat, kao sto ga neces dobiti ni ako klipujes ulaz pluga, a onda to pokusas da kompenzujes spustanjem fadera na kanalu.

Uzgred, zanimljiv link:

http://www.massivemastering.com/blog...ing_Levels.php
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Old 18-11-2011, 07:51 PM   #19
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Bezobzira na taj "neograniceni virtualni headroom" ITB mixanje, kad su nivoi u pitanju, treba posmatrati i pristupiti mu kao i analognom mixeru, bar kad je kalibracija nivoa u pitanju...bolji su rezultati. Pored toga, ne vidim neki preterani smisao niti poentu u teranju kanala do krajnjih granica tj as hot as possible. ne treba zaboraviti da digital ima i svoj izlaz tj analognu komponenetu koja nije ni priblizno operativna u opsezima digitalnog headroom-a.

Heavy Jerk jeste u pravu kad je pomenuo da ne treba klipovati plugove interno.

Da je sve ovo dobro objasnjeno u samom startu, mi sad verovatno ne bi raspravljali na ovu temu.

Ista stvar kad je u pitanju i dither, gde se licno upljuva' da objasnim zasto i kako, ali ocigledno internet experata ima na svakom koraku, kao i omasovljenih zabluda na temu ITB mixing and gain staging.

Dobra strana svega je da se nesto preterano i ne sekiram vise, nek svako uci tezim putem tj trial and error

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I to ?to ka?e? - svako nek radi kako voli

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