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Old 18-02-2011, 12:55 AM   #1
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Default Hackintosh - 10.5 - 10.6 - Pro Tools

Instalirali smo ga na tri gotovo identicne masine i evo vec par godina Hackintosh radi prilicno dobro, povremeno sam i na Mac Pro pa imam mogucnost komparacije, dok je 10.5 bio aktuelan razlike skoro da nije bilo.
Konfiguracija je sledeca:

Gigabyte DS3R; E6750 - Q8300 - Q8400; 4Gb RAM; Pro Tools HD3 - LE 002r - Mbox3 Pro

Kad je u pitanju 10.5 sve radi normalno, kako pretezno radimo na Pro Tools, tu sve radi kako treba, u poredjenju sa Mac Pro i Windows 7 na istim ovim masinama. Logic 8 i 9 rade takodje identicno kao na Mac Pro, bar nismo imali problema sa njim u periodima dok smo radili na njemu.

E sad, nevolje pocinju sa 10.6 bilo da je neka distribucija, ili da je Vannila instalacija.
Problemi su vezani iskljucivo sa Pro Tools 8, bilo da je HD, ili LE, a manifestuju se tako sto se vreme loadovanja pluginova povecava kako se povecava kolicina upotrebljene memorije.
Pa tako ako u projektu imamo samo dva instrumenta, Mixosaurus i Electri6ity, sto je sve ukupno oko 3.5gb zauzeca RAM, vreme potrebno da se plugin otvori je cak i do minut i 37 sekundi, naravno ovo je vreme dok sesija ide, dok se vreme loadovanja plugina dok sesija stoji negde oko tridesetak-cetrdesetak sekundi.
Za to vreme u projektu prestaje da svira jedno po jedno dok sve ne utihne, a onda kad se plugin povrati iz mrtvih, sve grune svom silinom, pritom je sve izaslo iz sync-a.

Ovo je prilicno frustrirajuce i proslo je vec neko vreme kako testiramo i pokusavamo da pronadjemo u cemu je problem, ali za sada nismo nista resili, vratili smo se na 10.5.

Dodacu to da se ovo ne desava na Pro Tools 9, vreme otvaranja plugina gotovo da ne postoji, sve se desava veoma brzo, mozda sekund, ili dva u najgorem slucaju, a najcesce bez zastajkivanja.

E sad, cinjenica je da su oni koji rade na Pro Tools manjina, a kad na to dodamo i Hackintosh verujem da je to samo par ljudi na forumu, ali evo da otvorim ovu temu, mozda zajedno nadjemo resenje za ovaj problem.
Takodje, ove masine su vec prilicno stare, ali to nikako nije razlog da se ovako nesto desava, ponavljam u Logic, Studio One, Cubase, a pogotovo u Pro Tools na Windows 7 ovo nije slucaj, sve funkcionise savrseno.

Ono sto smo primetili je da se ovo desava sa vecim zauzecem memorije, dok u praznom projektu sve radi normalno.
Pomislili smo da je to zbog 32-BIT boot koji je na svakoj masini zbog nemogucnosti da namestimo GraphicsEnabler da radi u 64-BIT modu, pa kako dodjemo do kraja dostupne memorije, javlja se ovaj problem. Ipak, ovo nije slucaj u Logic 9 pod istim okolnostima.
Primetili smo takodje da se i na 10.5 desava slicno pri ekstremnim okolnostima kad je memorija u pitanju, kako sistm pokaze da koristi oko 3.5 GB memorije ovo pocinje da se manifestuje.
Da pomenem da je Windows 7 64 BIT i da nam on prilicno dobro radi.

E sad, izvinjavam se na ovako dugom postu, ali mozda uspemo zajedno da rsimo ovu mistriju...
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Old 18-02-2011, 04:10 PM   #2
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Default Re: Hackintosh - 10.5 - 10.6 - Pro Tools

Pre svega, sta to ima 10.6 pa bas moras nju da instaliras? Izgooglao sam neki changelog

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The MAC OS X 10.6.5 update improves some Bluetooth problems also, like reliability with some BT braille displays and pairing with Magic Trackpad. The new version also adds a couple of new, interesting things like SSL support for transferring files with iDisk and RAW image compatibility for additional digital cameras. The update resolves the VoiceOver problem when using Safari 5 and fixes the syncing between Address Book and Google. It improves reliability of Ethernet connections and takes care of the response problem of the keyboard in the Dock when Spaces is turned on. Another interesting issue they fixed is when you had problems replying to a mail account with several rare characters like ? or ?.
Ako su ovo promene od 10.5 onda nema smisla updatovati uopste
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Old 18-02-2011, 06:00 PM   #3
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Default Re: Hackintosh - 10.5 - 10.6 - Pro Tools

Cekaj malo, kakav je to change log? Pa 10.6 je u potpunosti drugi sistem u odnosu na 10.5, bar kada su pojedine aplikacije u pitanju, konkretno Pro Tools 9 ne moze na 10.5 i tako redom, da nisi nesto permutovao?
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Old 18-02-2011, 07:25 PM   #4
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Default Re: Hackintosh - 10.5 - 10.6 - Pro Tools

moja greska.. ono je bio ipak changlelog samo za 10.6.5
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Old 19-02-2011, 01:57 AM   #5
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Default Re: Hackintosh - 10.5 - 10.6 - Pro Tools

kako ste podigli instalaciju? jeste editovali DSDT ili koristili kext-ove za razne komponente?
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Old 19-02-2011, 02:30 AM   #6
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Default Re: Hackintosh - 10.5 - 10.6 - Pro Tools

Prvi je bio iAtkos S3 10.6.3, dakle distribucija, sve je bilo normalno u sistemu osim ovoga sa pluginovima, a pored toga Pro Tools je imao greske cesto i sve je delovalo nekako teze, ceo sistem.

Drugo sto smo uradili bila je Vanilla instalacija, gde je samo sistem podignut i za pocetak smo samo najosnovnije kext-ove ubacili u extra folder, Disabler i jos dva-tri, eventualno u system/Library/Extensions kext za integrisanu zvucnu kartu, dakle sve je radilo normalno unutar sistema, ali i dalje problem kao i sa iAtkos S3.

DSDT nismo editovali, mada sam i to pokusao, ali kako to slabije poznajem, imam neki GUI DSDT Patcher pa sam na jedan klick nesto uradio i to je bilo sve.
Gledao sam na netu da se DSDT mnogo ozbiljno edituje, ali nisam u to ulazio, jer je bilo mnogo informacija i bilo je u pitanju kodiranje i programiranje, bar kako mi se tada ucinilo.

Ako sam najbolje razumeo, DSDT se edituje da bi se hardware sto vise problizio native Mac, je li tako?

Da li je moguce da je sve ovo izazvano zbog 32 bit moda, ili je u pitanju DSDT?

Postoji li neki benchmark, ili nesto slicno da proverimo kako sistem radi, kako manipulise memorijom, diskovima, procesorom i slicno?
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Old 19-02-2011, 03:50 AM   #7
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Default Re: Hackintosh - 10.5 - 10.6 - Pro Tools

ajde postavi rezultate Xbench-a i Geekbench-a za osx pa da vidimo sta cemo dalje.. a imam i odlicnu komb za DSDT al to cemo kasnije
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Old 19-02-2011, 08:30 PM   #8
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E ovako, trenutno nemam instaliran 10.6, ali tu mi je 10.5.8 iDeneb, ali hajde da vidimo sta je sa njim jer se i ovde desavaju cudne stvari, pa cu instalirati i Snow kasnije...

Xbench:

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Results 186.31
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.5.8 (9L30)
Physical RAM 4096 MB
Model MacPro3,1
Drive Type WDC WD1600AAJS-00WAA0
CPU Test 169.02
GCD Loop 293.44 15.47 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 143.06 3.40 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 117.26 3.87 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 210.99 36.74 Mops/sec
Thread Test 719.69
Computation 972.03 19.69 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 571.37 24.58 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 225.32
System 244.51
Allocate 292.03 1.07 Malloc/sec
Fill 206.69 10049.74 MB/sec
Copy 249.56 5154.50 MB/sec
Stream 208.92
Copy 189.84 3921.06 MB/sec
Scale 192.29 3972.70 MB/sec
Add 230.77 4915.92 MB/sec
Triad 230.18 4924.10 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 240.88
Line 191.51 12.75 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 255.72 76.34 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 206.80 16.86 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 201.77 5.09 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 545.41 34.12 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 205.55
Spinning Squares 205.55 260.75 frames/sec
User Interface Test 385.26
Elements 385.26 1.77 Krefresh/sec
Disk Test 70.35
Sequential 109.44
Uncached Write 110.30 67.72 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 112.21 63.49 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 92.23 26.99 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 129.37 65.02 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 51.83
Uncached Write 20.67 2.19 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 118.82 38.04 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 79.90 0.57 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 127.37 23.64 MB/sec [256K blocks]



Geekbench:

Geekbench Summary

System Information
Platform: Mac OS X x86 (32-bit)
Compiler: GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5494)
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5.8 (Build 9L30)
Model: MacPro2,1
Motherboard: Apple Computer, Inc. Mac-F4208DC8
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.50GHz
Processor ID: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10
Logical Processors: 4
Physical Processors: 1
Processor Frequency: 2.50 GHz
L1 Instruction Cache: 32.0 KB
L1 Data Cache: 32.0 KB
L2 Cache: 2.00 MB
L3 Cache: 0.00 B
Bus Frequency: 1.33 GHz
Memory: 4.00 GB
Memory Type: 800 MHz RAM
SIMD: 1
BIOS: Apple Computer, Inc. MP21.88Z.005C.B01.0608221120
Processor Model: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300
Processor Cores: 4

Geekbench 2 Score: 5343

Integer Performance (Score: 4490)
Blowfish
single-threaded scalar -- 1744, 76.6 MB/sec
multi-threaded scalar -- 7127, 292.1 MB/sec
Text Compress
single-threaded scalar -- 1939, 6.20 MB/sec
multi-threaded scalar -- 7091, 23.3 MB/sec
Text Decompress
single-threaded scalar -- 1756, 7.22 MB/sec
multi-threaded scalar -- 6870, 27.4 MB/sec
Image Compress
single-threaded scalar -- 1769, 14.6 Mpixels/sec
multi-threaded scalar -- 6607, 55.6 Mpixels/sec
Image Decompress
single-threaded scalar -- 1454, 24.4 Mpixels/sec
multi-threaded scalar -- 5445, 88.8 Mpixels/sec
Lua
single-threaded scalar -- 2879, 1.11 Mnodes/sec
multi-threaded scalar -- 9210, 3.54 Mnodes/sec

Floating Point Performance (Score: 8300)
Mandelbrot
single-threaded scalar -- 1865, 1.24 Gflops
multi-threaded scalar -- 7546, 4.94 Gflops
Dot Product
single-threaded scalar -- 3417, 1.65 Gflops
multi-threaded scalar -- 14418, 6.57 Gflops
single-threaded vector -- 2732, 3.27 Gflops
multi-threaded vector -- 12358, 12.9 Gflops
LU Decomposition
single-threaded scalar -- 741, 659.7 Mflops
multi-threaded scalar -- 2907, 2.55 Gflops
Primality Test
single-threaded scalar -- 3564, 532.3 Mflops
multi-threaded scalar -- 10754, 2.00 Gflops
Sharpen Image
single-threaded scalar -- 5000, 11.7 Mpixels/sec
multi-threaded scalar -- 19439, 44.8 Mpixels/sec
Blur Image
single-threaded scalar -- 6484, 5.13 Mpixels/sec
multi-threaded scalar -- 24988, 19.6 Mpixels/sec

Memory Performance (Score: 3112)
Read Sequential
single-threaded scalar -- 3730, 4.57 GB/sec
Write Sequential
single-threaded scalar -- 3618, 2.48 GB/sec
Stdlib Allocate
single-threaded scalar -- 2118, 7.91 Mallocs/sec
Stdlib Write
single-threaded scalar -- 3120, 6.46 GB/sec
Stdlib Copy
single-threaded scalar -- 2975, 3.07 GB/sec

Stream Performance (Score: 2441)
Stream Copy
single-threaded scalar -- 2454, 3.36 GB/sec
single-threaded vector -- 2725, 3.53 GB/sec
Stream Scale
single-threaded scalar -- 2708, 3.51 GB/sec
single-threaded vector -- 2643, 3.57 GB/sec
Stream Add
single-threaded scalar -- 1849, 2.79 GB/sec
single-threaded vector -- 2959, 4.12 GB/sec
Stream Triad
single-threaded scalar -- 2017, 2.79 GB/sec
single-threaded vector -- 2176, 4.07 GB/sec
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Old 20-02-2011, 05:04 PM   #9
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Default Re: Hackintosh - 10.5 - 10.6 - Pro Tools

ovo djeluje ok skroz... ovako nek ti Snow instalacija bude sa DSDT-om, pa da vidimo kako ce onda protools raditi

ovaj momak ce da ti ga napravi

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/ind...owtopic=235523

posaljes mu taj fajl sto trazi i on ti vrati dsdt... od u Extra folderu ces samo imati kext FakeSMC kext i ovaj DSDT

ja sam moj podigao sa iboot-om i multibeast-om, i radi odlicno i7 konfiguracija 250 bodova ima na xbench
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Ok, hvala probacu svez 10.6 sa novim DSDT, pa cemo videti...
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