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Old 13-08-2010, 09:27 PM   #41
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kao insajder u Artistu da kazem par reci o novom presonusu 24.4.2

ovaj mikser dolazi u prodaju tek za oko 14 dana, a iz centrale sam cuo da imamo vec 14 komada u pretplati, pre nego sto ga je iko probao uzivo, samo je vidjen na NAMM i u Frankfurtu!

cini mi se da je odnos karakteristika/cena/zvuk odlican.
manji brat sa 16 kanala nije tako dobro opremljen, ima puno razlika, EQ i dosta drugih stvari, ako je takva potraznja za njim, mozda ce vam biti interesantno da pogledate.
stavio sam namerno u Live Sound jer mi rekose da su ga prodali vise rentalcima (za manje i srednje evente) nego studio korisnicima, bar je takvo stanje za sada.
s obzirom na cenu ocekuju da ce ga uzimati i bendovi jer ce kod nas biti oko 3000? !!

evo par interesantnih demoa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCH-E24qzE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_E8S...eature=related


vise podataka imate na:
http://www.presonus.com/products/Det...x?ProductId=59







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  • 24 mic/line inputs with high-headroom Class A XMAX? mic preamplifiers
  • 4 subgroups
  • Stereo/mono main out
  • 10 auxiliary mixes
  • 32-in/26-out FireWire digital recording interface (24-bit/44.1 kHz and 48 kHz)
  • Studio One Artist Digital Audio Workstation software for Mac? and PC
  • Capture? 1.1 recording software for Mac? and PC
  • Direct recording interface compatible with Logic?, Nuendo, Cubase, Sonar?, Digital Performer?, Ableton? Live, and more
  • 24 channel strips
  • Trim control with ?20 to +20 dBV line/-15 to +65 dBu mic gain range (80dB!)
  • +48V phantom power switch for condenser microphones
  • FireWire Input Select
  • 100 mm precision faders
  • Lighted Solo and Mute buttons
  • Access to Fat Channel functions
  • 15-LED ladder metering + clip LED
  • Analog ?" insert (rear panel)
  • 4 subgroup buses, each with:
  • Solo
  • Mute
  • Access to Fat Channel functions (except high-pass filter and phase reverse)
  • 10 aux sends, each with
  • Solo
  • Pre/post-fader send
  • Output-level control
  • Access to Fat Channel functions (except phase reverse)
  • Mix and Mix/Pan Fat Channel metering
  • Available sources: 24 input channels, Aux A and B, Tape Input, Talkback
  • 2 internal effects sends, each with:
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  • Output-level control
  • Access to Fat Channel (except phase reverse)
  • Effects-send Select for Fat Channel metering
  • Mix button for aux-bus mixing and Fat Channel metering
  • Master Section
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  • Level Control and Select (Fat Channel metering) switch
  • Access to all Fat Channel functions (except phase reverse)
  • Talkback System
  • Mic Level control
  • Output Select ( Aux 1-2, 3-6, 7-10, Main)
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  • 2 Track In
  • Level control
  • Tape Input to Mains button
  • FireWire source on/off
  • Solo Bus
  • Cue Mix volume control
  • PFL/AFL and Solo In Place (SIP) buttons
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  • Headphone-output level control
  • Control-room monitor-level control
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  • Tape Input to Monitor button
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  • Main Mix to Monitor button
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  • Low Mid EQ: sweepable from 90 Hz to 1.2 kHz, ?15 dB, variable Q 0.1 to 4.0
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  • High EQ: sweepable from 1.4 kHz to 18 kHz, ?15 dB, switchable shelf or peaking
  • Master EQ On/Off button
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Old 15-08-2010, 01:47 PM   #42
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...a jos sam je ovih dana poterao da radi wireless. uzmes laptop, prosetas se na bilo koje mesto u sali i tweakujes sve. Pretty unbeatable zar ne
evo primera kako studiolive 16 ili 24 mogu daljinski da se kontrolisu preko iPoda, iPada, ili laptopa uz pomoc VSL - virtual studiolive softvera





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Old 30-08-2010, 12:15 AM   #43
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Ja volim naprednu tehnologiju i sve to....ali ovo je beskorisno fakat', ova mixeta Presonus je dovoljna za live, super je, ja bih je uzeo 1000 posto, ali sta dobijate sa ovim ipod-om, kad sam u studiu tu sam ispred nje, a takodje i na live nastupima, e sad ko hoce malo da se zaludjuje bez veze nek izvoli....mislim nista nije receno
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Old 30-08-2010, 12:35 AM   #44
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Mislim Lesha, kazi i sam, samo izmisle nesto i zalude te, a gde je da razmisljas malo na muziku (sad sam malo otisao, ali ne zameri)...kreativnosti malo brate....kreativnosti sta bese toooo ?????? A ovo, to mora malo da se proda ... a za koga, pa znas sta, svaka roba ima kupca, tako razmisljaju, pa kome uvale, a kupac, jadan, nezna ni sam zasto je to uzeo i sta ce mu, ali vili da je u trendu...nista licno, samo je ovo moj stav, ali lepo je videti inovaciju, ali svrha svega toga.... je.....?????
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Old 30-08-2010, 01:35 AM   #45
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@magnum

odgovor je jako jednostavan. Cesto se desi da na vecim koncertima (a i na manjim) mixer ne moze da bude na idealnoj poziciji, na sredini izmedju array-a zvucnika. A kad te sateraju u cosak zna da se desi da bude vrlo neudobno i da je sound potpuno drugaciji nego negde normalno u dvorani/na trgu/ ...

e zato opalis remote, pa radis tako. Ili uradis dobar deo toga na mixeru pa se prosetas i vidis da li je ok. Isto tako ako hoces da vidis kako se nesto ponasa na delay liniji ili sl. opet je remote handy.

Za male prostore, male svirke.... i nije nesto potrebno. Mada ja eto uvek nosim sa sobom laptop pa u klubu radim sve sa njega wireless. Mixer pored mene (da mogu tokom svirke dok sviram da tweakujem delay i sl. a na tonskoj sve sredim sa laptopa.

Nekom treba, a nekom ne

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Old 04-09-2010, 06:34 PM   #46
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Evo samo da se pofalim, dobismo taj Tascam DM3200. Juce je raspakovan, sad sledi mukotrpan proces povezivanja... Kao sto sam se i pribojavao, malko je finalna izrada sumnjiva, potenciometri su odlicni, kao i motori, ali generalno tasteri su tako jadni... Encoderi su isto tako iznenadjujuce dobri, s rezervom ona 4 poda, koji su nekako preosetljivi, mada video sam da se to moze stelovati. I tako, igranka je pocela
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Old 04-09-2010, 11:12 PM   #47
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Ma izdrzace.Ako je je uspio izdrzati mene i Boleta i jos par drugih međeda izdržaće i u pozoristu gdje su klimatski uslovi koliko toliko stabilniji a vjerujem i ljudi..Ono što je frka sa ovim mikserom jeste postojanje samo 4 analogna izlaza(pored glavnih).E sad jesu to multi izlazi mogu bit sta oćeš ali ih je malo,barem za neke situacije u kojima sam se nedavno našao,a da bi se nabavio neki AD/DA konverter pa da se iskoriste i Adat konekcije u ovom trenutku je,barem sa nasom nabavnom službom skoro pa nemoguće.

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Old 05-09-2010, 10:14 AM   #48
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Malo OT, taman spajamo novi digitalac u programskoj re?iji radija - D&R Axum, ne znam koliko će bit jednostavnije za raditi na njemu, to će doći na red tek kad ga upogonimo ali da je priprema puno kompleksnija i kompliciranija, to je definitivno, mora? mu napraviti cijeli rack na koji idu svi ulazni i izlazni kanali, analogni i digitalni, engine je sa predpojačalima povezan mr?nim kabelima, mo?e ga se konfigurirati preko lokalne mre?e, ima opcije kompresora i eq relativno dobro rje?ene, imam osječaj da će se u početku te?ko bit naviknuti na to da ti nije uvijek sve pri ruci i da će se trebat pritiskati menu dugmad i pozivati na određeni ?iber ono ?ta ti treba, ali nakon vremena prilagodbe neće biti neki problem, ono ?ta me najvi?e mrzi je to da kad ovdje ne?to crkne neće biti uzmi lemilo i popravljaj nego plaći sine i spajaj analogiju






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Ma izdrzace.Ako je je uspio izdrzati mene i Boleta i jos par drugih međeda izdr?aće i u pozoristu gdje su klimatski uslovi koliko toliko stabilniji a vjerujem i ljudi..Ono ?to je frka sa ovim mikserom jeste postojanje samo 4 analogna izlaza(pored glavnih).E sad jesu to multi izlazi mogu bit sta oće? ali ih je malo,barem za neke situacije u kojima sam se nedavno na?ao,a da bi se nabavio neki AD/DA konverter pa da se iskoriste i Adat konekcije u ovom trenutku je,barem sa nasom nabavnom slu?bom skoro pa nemoguće.
Vec smo upregli A-D konvertor za dodatnih 8 ulaza. Trebalo nam je 24 fizickih ulaza, a imali smo 16 na mikseru. Focusrite Octopre MKII je tu zavrsio posao (bocnes opticki kabl u ADAT IN i to je to ). Kada se skupi sve, jos dokupi jedan D-A konvertor za jos 8 izlaza, ni priblizno nije ceni njegovog veceg izdanja - DM4800...

Skoro sam sve provalio na njemu, jako je intuitivan, mada sam ipak bacao cesto pogled u manual... Malo mi ide na nerve sto nema neku indikaciju u vidu lampice kada koristim enkodere za pan - nemam pojma sta su - da li su panorame, EQ ili kompresori ili... Mogli su da se otvore za jednu lampicu

Usput, touch sensitive fejderi mi idu na zivce, ne znam koliko ih ovde ljudi koristi, ali ja sam ih iskljucio...
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Vec smo upregli A-D konvertor za dodatnih 8 ulaza. Trebalo nam je 24 fizickih ulaza, a imali smo 16 na mikseru. Focusrite Octopre MKII je tu zavrsio posao (bocnes opticki kabl u ADAT IN i to je to ). Kada se skupi sve, jos dokupi jedan D-A konvertor za jos 8 izlaza, ni priblizno nije ceni njegovog veceg izdanja - DM4800...

Skoro sam sve provalio na njemu, jako je intuitivan, mada sam ipak bacao cesto pogled u manual... Malo mi ide na nerve sto nema neku indikaciju u vidu lampice kada koristim enkodere za pan - nemam pojma sta su - da li su panorame, EQ ili kompresori ili... Mogli su da se otvore za jednu lampicu

Usput, touch sensitive fejderi mi idu na zivce, ne znam koliko ih ovde ljudi koristi, ali ja sam ih iskljucio...
Touch sensitive sta to bejase?Je l`to ono ti pipnes regler i automatski ga selektujes?Ako je to i ja sam to iskljucio na nasem mikseru.Mene to malo tripa i pravi mi frku glavi sa svim onim lampicama i stvarima na ekranu koji se mjenjaju za moj mozak enormnom brzinom.Odma` mi se alarm pali za neku prevaru i moram da pribjegnem fizickom obracunu sa mikserom a to u pola emisije raditi nije bas heh politicki korektno
Inace ne volim da radim u layerima,barem ne ovde na tv-u posto se kod nas u pojedinim trenutcima mjenjaju bukvalno u sekundi pa ti u vodu padnu sve tvoje pripreme i svi prijasnji dogovori al to je tv.
Eto vidis ti dobijes focusrite-a a ja ni behringera ne mogu dobiti.Mada mi odgovara ovakva situacija u pojedinim momentima(nemam vise ulaza,nemam vise izlaza ,stoga odjebi polupismeni,narcisoidni,wannabe Denis Latin i Olivera Kovacevic,postovani kolega novinaru)a opet ponekad mi zatrebaju da sebi olaksam posao.Sta ces ljudima je stvarno tesko ugoditi.
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