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Old 15-12-2009, 05:18 PM   #1
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Kao sto u naslovu pise imam problem sa tom frekvencijom u sobi odnosno na mjestu slusanja i u krugu tog mjesta. Tocnije radi se o peak-u koji je najjaci na 120Hz, a moze se osjetnije primjetiti na podrucju od 110-130Hz. Moze ih se jos osjetiti na par frekvencija do 300Hz, ali nisu toliko jaki kao ovaj na 120...

Inace soba je 3.9m x 3.5m i visina 2.7m, a u svim kutovima su vec postavljeni bass trapovi (visina 2.5m, 15cm debljine kamene vune). Za RFZ sam koristio samo 4 broadband apsorbera debljine 10cm, koji su smjesteni iza i sa strane kontrolne pozicije.

Da li ima smisla raditi jos apsorbera sa kamenom vunom ili je mozda ovako nesto kvalitetnije rjesenje http://www.audiopro-croatia.com/mex/...=121&art=6606# ?
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Old 15-12-2009, 05:37 PM   #2
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Ne to nije rje?enje!

Vi?e absorbera!
Gledaj ovaj thread: http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25103
jo? su mu dodani difuzori i jo? pone?to kutnih absorbera i jo? nije gotovo...
... i ima jo problem od 90-110Hz i to velik dip.

A sad pročitaj ovo: http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27308

I točno tu stvaraju probleme velike radne povr?ine, ne treba da je ba? mikseta.
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Old 15-12-2009, 06:29 PM   #3
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Ne to nije rje?enje!

Vi?e absorbera!
Gledaj ovaj thread: http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25103
jo? su mu dodani difuzori i jo? pone?to kutnih absorbera i jo? nije gotovo...
... i ima jo problem od 90-110Hz i to velik dip.

A sad pročitaj ovo: http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27308

I točno tu stvaraju probleme velike radne povr?ine, ne treba da je ba? mikseta.
Pretpostavljam da je veliki problem to sta iza zvucnika nemam nikakvih panela, a tu se nalazi veliki stakleni prozor i vrata koja su takodjer vecinom od stakla... Jedina prednost je zavjesa koja pokriva cijeli taj prostor iza zvucnika, ali to na niske frekv. nema nikakvog utjecaja...

Znaci rjesenje je jos apsorbera, ali pitanje je koje debljine...? Sa debljinom 5cm vjerovatno necu moc utjecati na nista ispod 300Hz, znaci jos najmanje 4 apsorbera debljine 10cm bi moglo ublaziti postojeci problem ili se varam?
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Old 15-12-2009, 06:38 PM   #4
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Na pamet bez nacrta sam zna? ne ide.
Da se prostor tretira treba puno toga, prostor ti je i vrlo mali i skoro je du?ina jednaka ?irini...
LBIR i SBIR to malo pogooglaj...
http://www.realtraps.com/sbirlbir.htm
http://www.gikacoustics.com/education_sbir.html
... ima toga...
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Old 15-12-2009, 06:48 PM   #5
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Pretpostavljam da je veliki problem....
Problem je sto inace nemas puno mesta za apsorpciju a SVE refleksione povrsine su ti blize nego u velikom prostoru, te samim tim traze VISE apsorpcionog materijala... nego veliki prostor, znaci, zahtevi su medjusobno iskljucivi i sobu mozes srediti do neke mere, a spomenuti problem ce uvek ostati u nekoj meri primetan, bez obzira na nacin na koji tretiras sobu.

S druge strane malo je pretenciozno ocekivati od sobice "tri sa tri" sa akustickim tretmanom da svi problemi virtuelno nestanu.... kao sto vidis ostali su ti problemi na bassu... i to sam ponavljao bezbroj puta na ovom forumu, da je to najteze srediti i da je to najskuplje... sad naslucujes i zasto...


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Old 15-12-2009, 06:54 PM   #6
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Evo prilozio sam merne rezultate prostora slicnog tvom, te uporedi.
http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthre...925#post251929


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Old 15-12-2009, 06:59 PM   #7
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Da to je stvarno više nego odličan rezultat.
Recepat je?!
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Da to je stvarno vi?e nego odličan rezultat.
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Recepat je?!
Krv, znoj i suze!!!

Ne salim se!!!

Inace, spremamo AES rad na tu temu, pa kada ga jednom zavrsimo, prilozicemo ga za d/l.


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Old 15-12-2009, 07:14 PM   #9
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U toj sobi ima vise kamene vune nego zraka , a za krv i znoj ne sumnjam...
Ja vec dugo radim u toj maloj sobici pa sam se navikao na neke probleme, a i mixeve redovito provjeravam na jos par mjesta jer znam da od tog prostora i nemogu ocekivat puno. Sad imam nesto slobodnog vremena pa sam se zato upustio u "poboljsavanje" akustike, iako neke velike zahvate poput onih u prilozenom threadu nemam namjeru raditi.

Evo i jedna korisna informacija za mene sa NLP-ovog linka;
If you have issues say from 125Hz up but OK below that, then a thinner panel may be in order - say 2". If you have problems all the way down, then something thicker may be appropriate.

A i draze i lakse mi je raditi manje panele nego one grdosije, tako da mi je ovaj info sve drazi..
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Old 15-12-2009, 08:36 PM   #10
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to u su?tini nije relevantan odgovor, to je samo na brzinu izlju?treno... jest tako i nije... zna? koliko takvih absorbera bih trebao i jo? je zamr?enije...
Ostani ti lepo na 10 ili vi?e cm i gustom vunom!
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