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Old 12-12-2009, 06:09 AM   #1
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Default Dither opsions, Ableton

?to znače dither options, i koja postavka od njih je najbolja prilikom exporta pjesme?
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Default Re: Dither opsions, Ableton

Imas tri tipa dithera koji su POW, razlika je u noise shapingu svakog Type-a. Ovo ce ti pomoci da vidis za sta je koji povoljan kad je export u pitanju:

Type 1 Has the flattest frequency spectrum in
the audible range of frequencies, modulating
and accumulating the dither noise just below
the Nyquist frequency. Recommended for less
stereophonically complex material such as solo
instrument recordings.

Type 2 Has a psychoacoustically optimized low
order noise shaping curve. Recommended for
material of greater stereophonic complexity.

Type 3 Has a psychoacoustically optimized high
order noise shaping curve. Recommended for
full-spectrum, wide-stereo field material.
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Old 12-12-2009, 12:52 PM   #3
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Default Re: Dither opsions, Ableton

i jos jedna stvar, pozeljno je raditi dither samo jednom, dakle pri finalnom exportu kada nece biti dalje obrade materijala tj. rada na masteringu.
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Old 13-12-2009, 06:33 AM   #4
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i jos jedna stvar, pozeljno je raditi dither samo jednom, dakle pri finalnom exportu kada nece biti dalje obrade materijala tj. rada na masteringu.
A ?to ako hoču isfurat stvar da čujem mix na drugim zvučnicima?

Ja cijelo vrijeme koristio triangular dither.
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A ?to ako hoču isfurat stvar da čujem mix na drugim zvučnicima?
Pa rendas je u wav i pustas u playeru - ne kapiram u cemu je prob?

Ja, kad hocu da dalje editujem nesto nakon "izlaska" iz DAWa, koristim Type1 dither koji je opcija L1+ limitera, zaobilazeci Abletonov dither...ili Ozone MBit+ dither na "moderate" settings

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Old 13-12-2009, 03:59 PM   #6
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Pa rendas je u wav i pustas u playeru - ne kapiram u cemu je prob?
Ma leshna nekaj reko da je pozeljno da se samo jednom renderuje..
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Ma leshna nekaj reko da je pozeljno da se samo jednom renderuje..
Lesha rekao da se samo jednom ditheruje. I to radi? samo u slučaju da prelazi? sa vi?eg bitrate-a na ni?i (npr. sa 24bit na 16bit), recimo ako si sve miksao i masterovao u 24bit re?imu, pa hoće? da nare?e? audio CD (=16bit).

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I to radiš samo u slučaju da prelaziš sa višeg bitrate-a na niži (npr. sa 24bit na 16bit), recimo ako si sve miksao i masterovao u 24bit režimu, pa hoćeš da narežeš audio CD (=16bit).
taj rad, evo blejachim pa da dam svoj skroman doprinos razumevanju ditheringa digitalnog signala...

NINDZA1

8 bita - slika sad ima 256 boja (dobro, nijansi)





NINDZA 2

5 bita - bitaza reducirana - slika sad ima samo 32 boje, gubitak u prelazima, etc etc...





NINDZA 3

ista ta reducirana slika u 5 bita - isto 32 boje, ali sad ima rasporedjene efekte u vidu novih piksela kako bi novonastali signal sto vise licio na prvobitni - e sad dalje u sustini izbor dither algoritma je stvar ukusa

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Kada je pjesma 8bita? Ak ju vadim na 24 bita?
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Default Re: Dither opsions, Ableton

a sto ce ti to

amiga moduli su naprimer u 8 bita, pustis pesmu, snimis je recorderom ili sta god, roknes reverb neki i snimis u 24 bita i zvuci bolje

pitanje je kome ili chemu, i otkud ti uopste 8-bitni signal
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