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Old 24-11-2008, 12:31 AM   #31
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i ja se pitam ,sve je izgledalo bolesno ,ludo i u prvim trenucima onako pod utiskom atmosfere sam pomislio da ce biti porno dok taj utisak nije pokvario sam njihov 'nastup'.E kad shvatis da su pustili plej dugme (toliko providno) i da ti stoje i poziraju ,kad cujes stvari onako kako su zvucale i ranije bez trunke promene i improvizacije ..skoro kao da sam otisao u bioskop ,a najavljeno je nesto sasvim drugo ..
Jes' ti siguran da si bio na koncertu?!
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Old 24-11-2008, 01:21 AM   #32
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Chek bre, Vrach... tamo pise:

"Nemački vrhovni sud oborio je presudu hambur?kog suda..."


znaci... nisu (jos) dobili na sudu!

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Old 24-11-2008, 01:29 AM   #33
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Sta reci onda za Planet Rock gde je kompletna stvar semplovana, ali to su se kao dogovorili

Pise da je "pozajmljeno", ranije se "pozajmljivala" cela stvar, a sad ne moze ni 2 sekunde.. Eto kakva su vremena dosla - nije ni cudo sto je Akai-u tolika pala cena


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The main melody of "Planet Rock" is borrowed from the title track of Kraftwerk's influential album Trans Europe Express, while the drum pattern is based on the song "Numbers" from the Kraftwerk album Computer World, another popular underground club record. The borrowings eventually resulted in an out-of-court settlement between Kraftwerk and Tommy Boy Records head Tom Silverman.
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Old 24-11-2008, 03:03 AM   #34
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Old 24-11-2008, 07:18 AM   #35
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Dve sekunde Kraftwerka na sudu
Nemački vrhovni sud oborio je presudu hambur?kog suda prema kojoj je neovla?ćeno ponovno kori?ćenje makar i najkraćeg dela pesme kr?enje autorskih prava.
Kraftwerk je tu?io producenta Mosesa Pelhama zbog semplovanja dve sekunde pesme Metal on Metal (1977) u pesmi Nur Mir nemačke rep zvezde Sabrine Setlur, a hambur?ki sud je presudio u korist grupe, preneo je Associated Press.
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Old 24-11-2008, 10:06 AM   #36
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Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force: 'Planet Rock'

For mixing Kraftwerk's synthetic beats and simple melodies with New York rap, 'Planet Rock' can be credited with creating an entirely new genre: hip-hop. This is how it happened...


"Bambaataa wanted to use the keyboardist who had played on a record that he liked, and this turned out to be John Robie, who is now my oldest friend. John played everything by hand, nothing was sequenced on 'Planet Rock' ? we didn't have a sequencer at that time.
...it was my idea to use a combination of those two numbers (Numbers & Trans-Europe Express) for Bambaataa's next record, because the beat on 'Trans-Europe Express' was too slow.
Anyway, since we were basically trying to emulate the Kraftwerk sound, when we went into the studio we decided we needed a drum machine. What's more, after hearing an 808, we knew that was what we wanted, so I looked in the Village Voice and saw an ad stating, 'Man with drum machine, $30 a session.' His name was Joe and he had an 808, so we paid him to come in and do the beats.
We played him 'Numbers' and asked him to copy the beat, and then Bambaataa asked him to copy the beat from 'Super Sperm', so that's what we did first.... In fact, we realised we might get sued by Kraftwerk if we used the 'Trans-Europe Express' melody, so John performed a different string melody just in case and that was what we ended up using for 'Play At Your Own Risk'."






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Sta reci onda za Planet Rock gde je kompletna stvar semplovana, ali to su se kao dogovorili

Pise da je "pozajmljeno", ranije se "pozajmljivala" cela stvar, a sad ne moze ni 2 sekunde.. Eto kakva su vremena dosla - nije ni cudo sto je Akai-u tolika pala cena


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The main melody of "Planet Rock" is borrowed from the title track of Kraftwerk's influential album Trans Europe Express, while the drum pattern is based on the song "Numbers" from the Kraftwerk album Computer World, another popular underground club record. The borrowings eventually resulted in an out-of-court settlement between Kraftwerk and Tommy Boy Records head Tom Silverman.
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Old 24-11-2008, 10:13 AM   #37
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S druge strane, ima i dobrih primjera: DJ Danger Mouse je dobio sudski proces protiv Beatlesa koji su ga tuzili za neovlasteno koristenje njihovih sampleova na "The Grey Album"
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Kako god ga oni postavili i objasnili - to je maznuta stvar od kraftwerk...i traje puuuno vise od 2 sec
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i ja se pitam ,sve je izgledalo bolesno ,ludo i u prvim trenucima onako pod utiskom atmosfere sam pomislio da ce biti porno dok taj utisak nije pokvario sam njihov 'nastup'.E kad shvatis da su pustili plej dugme (toliko providno) i da ti stoje i poziraju ,kad cujes stvari onako kako su zvucale i ranije bez trunke promene i improvizacije ..skoro kao da sam otisao u bioskop ,a najavljeno je nesto sasvim drugo ..
Ne znam sta je bilo najavljeno, ali ako si Kraftwerk fan onda si upoznat s njihovim opusom i live nastupima i manje-vise u startu znas sta mozes ocekivat od njihovog nastupa. Ako si ocekivao nesto drugo, bolje da si ustedio pare i ostao kuci

By the way, u prilog tezi da zaista sviraju uzivo, sjecam se njihovog ljubljanskog nastupa na kojem je Henning Shmitz uzivo svirao/trigao samplove u "Boing Boom Tschak" i pritom poprilicno grijesio.
Bilo je jos takvih primjera...

Da smo nacisto, ne branim poteze Kraftwerka i njihovih odvjetnika, vec branim pravo da kao glazbenik upravljas svojim vlasnistvom. Probaj se stavit u njihovu poziciju, kako bi ti postupio? Dao bi svima besplatno ko stara pijana kurva? Ma bi moj koortz Ne bi ni ja!
Nekome ces masno naplatit koristenje sampleova [npr. Coldplay > Kraftwerk "Computer Love", Madonna > ABBA "Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight)"...]

Neke ces hladno odje*at, a nekima ces ustupit da ih besplatno koriste jer ti se svidja i pjesma i nacin na koji su od njih stvorili nesto novo i dobro (ili ti je jednostavno napeto je*at njihovu pevaljku).
I to je njihovo pravo. E, sad je pitanje kad i kako to pravo iskoristit, kako ce mediji tvoj potez upakirat i kako ce ga javnost percipirat...

Meni se daleko vise kao starom Kraftwerk fanu zgadio nacin na koji su Ralf H?tter i Florian Schneider odje*ali dvojicu starih clanova iz banda (Wolfgang Fl?r i Karl Bartos), kako na ranijim albumima Konrad Conny Plank nije potpisan kao producent nego Ralf i Florian, kako nije potpisan ni kao koautor glazbe u nekim pjesmama, kako uopce nije navedeno da je materijal sniman i produciran u njegovom studiju, kako su se Ralf i Florian upisali u americkom zavod za patente kao vlasnici patenta na elektronske perkusije koje je izumio/konstruirao Wofgang Fl?r...
I jos jedna, mozda nagadljivija stvar koju nisam uspio provjerit jer jos nisam imao u rukama CD iz te zadnje serije: navodno su na reizdanjima albuma iz 2004/2005 (Kling Klang Studio Digital Master serija) izbrisali Fl?ra i Bartosa da su ista radili, uopce postojali! Nema ih!
Za ovaj zadnji podatak bih htio znati da li je istina, ako neko ima CD iz te serije, ajd pliz neka pogleda pa kaze da li je to istina ili nije.
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Old 24-11-2008, 02:23 PM   #40
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hm, izgleda da ta zadnja serija jos nije ni izasla

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