Maksimum kanala preko usb-a?

slowstar · 26-01-2009, 02:58 AM

Ljudi, propusna moc USB 2 standarda je okolo 400mb/sec, kakva 2 kanala?
Glatko ide 16, i to u OBA pravca, naravno FireWire je tu mnogo sigurniji, mada se tvrdi kako je propusnost ista, ali licno sam se uverio da je FW dosta bolji i pouzdaniji. Dakle ZED R16 moze da snima pod sigurno 16 istovremenih kanala, bez nekih problema, izuzev mozda kompa koji bi to trebalo da "primi" Ta "dva" kanala koje pominjete se verovatno odnosi na davno napusteni USB1 standard...
P.S. A&H izgleda odlicno, kad skupim "vreme" uzimam onaj ZED 436, zbog broja hardverskih sintova koje moram da imam utaknute istovremeno, ali pogledaj pod Alesis, oni imaju neki "dzabaluk" koji istovremeno snima mislim 16 kanala, ali vraca samo 2, nisam sasvim siguran, proveri...

**lesha** · 26-01-2009, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowstar

Ljudi, propusna moc USB 2 standarda je okolo 400mb/sec, kakva 2 kanala?

govorim samo za taj mixer, posto smo ih vec prodavali.

**Arthur** · 26-01-2009, 11:24 AM

jes vala, sale, pitaš me kolko kanala , ja kažem 8 do 10, šta ti nije jasno? Nisam koristio taj ZED thing, nego sa kompa koristio Passport kao HDD na koji snimam, i radilo je najnormalnije. Dakle, to je odgovor od samom USB standardu (mislim da je tačna cifra 480mBit po sekundi). I da, Onyx FW snima 16ch na komp i to bogami radi i na 88.2khz samplerateu, svih 16ch na komp i 2 nazad (snimao ceo sešn tako u utorak). e da, FF800 slika 10 kanala in i 10 out sa sve 192khz samplerateom, bez veće frke. A na manjim samplerateovima on šalje preko 20 nešto kanala ako koristiš i ADAT input-outpute.

Mackie Onyx preampi rade skroz ok za te pare, čak ni ta konverzija nije uopšte hrđava. Jedina mana je upravo routing (nepostojeći), i nedostatak bilo kakvih digitalnih input-outputa što te tera da koristiš njega kao jedini ASIO, a mega veliko drkanje je to što vraća samo 2 kanala (master) sa kompa na mixer u slušanje, pa i ti i bubnjar npr imate identičan mix u slušanju (ukoliko čovek oće da čuje klik iz nuenda ili neki pilot kanal). Postaje prava zavrzlama organizovati valjan monitoring u tim uslovima.

**HeatMan** · 26-01-2009, 02:36 PM

eh da.. zaboravio sam chime s snimao sori.. nisam video da si pomenuo..

nishta, ipak cu da uzmem ff800 kad pokupim neku lovu.. i necu se pravim pametan previshe.. nabudzicu shto vishe dobrih preampa i to je to..

poz

slowstar · 26-01-2009, 04:57 PM

Nemojte ljudi da me pravite budalom, mislim na A&H ZED R16, taj SIGURNO salje i prima 16 kanala, a Alesis i FW i USB takodje moze 16 in/out, mislim da se zove multimix 16 USB, sta vam tesko da "skocite" i pogledate...Valjda toliko razumem Engleski posle tolikih godina citanja
Poz,
S

Evo ga link:http://www.alesis.com/mixers

DaBear · 26-01-2009, 05:10 PM

[sto pricate o USB kad ima FireWire?

The ZED-R16 can be employed as a standard analogue mixer while recording multi-track via FireWire or ADAT, a traditional inline mixer recording with send and return per channel via FireWire, or as a MIDI controller via switchable channel faders. It features 16 mono inputs, 2 stereo inputs, a high quality dual mic pre-amp, 4-band fully-parametric EQ, 4 auxes, a stereo bus, 2 stereo returns, and 18+18 FireWire I/O and 8+8 ADAT I/O.

For studio work, there are control room speaker outputs, two separate artist monitor feeds, two analogue recording outputs in addition to the digital interface, and a dedicated internal condenser talkback mic. Each channel has its own independent soundcard channel, so instruments can be recorded simultaneously (pre or post EQ) into the sequencer separately. To minimise clock jitter and provide synchronicity between the ZED-R16 and other devices, the mixer is equipped with the professional JetPLL? digital audio chipset.

ZED-R16 is equipped with a host of MIDI control options. As well as the 4 dedicated MIDI faders, 12 rotary controllers, 12 switches, and 5 dedicated transport switches, all channel faders can also be switched to become MIDI faders. As with all models in the ZED range, the ZED-R16 is also bundled with Cakewalk?s SONAR LE music production software. In addition to multi-track recording, the ZED-R16 allows mixing down in analogue, then recording back into the computer in digital.

**HeatMan** · 26-01-2009, 05:15 PM

ma zato shto sam ja pocheo prichu o zed r16tici iako je na fw-u

a gledao sam neki review na tjubu il tako negde.. nije bio r16 nego neki drugi iz iste linije.. pa su rekli da preko usba mogu svi kanali da se poshalju.. verovatno misleci dva po dva jbg..

nav · 26-01-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowstar

Nemojte ljudi da me pravite budalom, mislim na A&H ZED R16, taj SIGURNO salje i prima 16 kanala, a Alesis i FW i USB takodje moze 16 in/out, mislim da se zove multimix 16 USB, sta vam tesko da "skocite" i pogledate...Valjda toliko razumem Engleski posle tolikih godina citanja
Poz

HM je postavio pitanje u vezi miksera A&H Zed i USB konekcije na njima
postoje dve "vrste" Zed mix.. serija ZED FX koja ima USB konekciju i ZED R koji ima FW.
Prvi (ZED FX with USB) tera dva kanala i/o kroz USB
http://www.allen-heath.com/zed/zed-12FX.asp
a ZED R with FW 18 i/o i adat 16 i/o
http://www.allen-heath.com/zed/zed-R16.asp

**Arthur** · 26-01-2009, 11:00 PM

jes drugari, al taj r16 je preko 2k eura. Mislim da je to malo kome ovde isplativo

Onyx ne izađe ni kilo i po

26-01-2009, 02:58 AM	#1
slowstar Pro Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,169	Re: Maksimum kanala preko usb-a? Ljudi, propusna moc USB 2 standarda je okolo 400mb/sec, kakva 2 kanala? Glatko ide 16, i to u OBA pravca, naravno FireWire je tu mnogo sigurniji, mada se tvrdi kako je propusnost ista, ali licno sam se uverio da je FW dosta bolji i pouzdaniji. Dakle ZED R16 moze da snima pod sigurno 16 istovremenih kanala, bez nekih problema, izuzev mozda kompa koji bi to trebalo da "primi" Ta "dva" kanala koje pominjete se verovatno odnosi na davno napusteni USB1 standard... P.S. A&H izgleda odlicno, kad skupim "vreme" uzimam onaj ZED 436, zbog broja hardverskih sintova koje moram da imam utaknute istovremeno, ali pogledaj pod Alesis, oni imaju neki "dzabaluk" koji istovremeno snima mislim 16 kanala, ali vraca samo 2, nisam sasvim siguran, proveri... __________________ We are not alone in the Universe... Last edited by slowstar; 26-01-2009 at 03:01 AM.

26-01-2009, 11:24 AM	#3
Arthur MAO Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shenzhen, China Posts: 6,981	Re: Maksimum kanala preko usb-a? jes vala, sale, pitaš me kolko kanala , ja kažem 8 do 10, šta ti nije jasno? Nisam koristio taj ZED thing, nego sa kompa koristio Passport kao HDD na koji snimam, i radilo je najnormalnije. Dakle, to je odgovor od samom USB standardu (mislim da je tačna cifra 480mBit po sekundi). I da, Onyx FW snima 16ch na komp i to bogami radi i na 88.2khz samplerateu, svih 16ch na komp i 2 nazad (snimao ceo sešn tako u utorak). e da, FF800 slika 10 kanala in i 10 out sa sve 192khz samplerateom, bez veće frke. A na manjim samplerateovima on šalje preko 20 nešto kanala ako koristiš i ADAT input-outpute. Mackie Onyx preampi rade skroz ok za te pare, čak ni ta konverzija nije uopšte hrđava. Jedina mana je upravo routing (nepostojeći), i nedostatak bilo kakvih digitalnih input-outputa što te tera da koristiš njega kao jedini ASIO, a mega veliko drkanje je to što vraća samo 2 kanala (master) sa kompa na mixer u slušanje, pa i ti i bubnjar npr imate identičan mix u slušanju (ukoliko čovek oće da čuje klik iz nuenda ili neki pilot kanal). Postaje prava zavrzlama organizovati valjan monitoring u tim uslovima. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/ArthurLoa http://www.facebook.com/note.php?not...68263589864927

26-01-2009, 02:36 PM	#4
HeatMan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Beograd Posts: 3,720	Re: Maksimum kanala preko usb-a? eh da.. zaboravio sam chime s snimao sori.. nisam video da si pomenuo.. nishta, ipak cu da uzmem ff800 kad pokupim neku lovu.. i necu se pravim pametan previshe.. nabudzicu shto vishe dobrih preampa i to je to.. poz

26-01-2009, 04:57 PM	#5
slowstar Pro Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,169	Re: Maksimum kanala preko usb-a? Nemojte ljudi da me pravite budalom, mislim na A&H ZED R16, taj SIGURNO salje i prima 16 kanala, a Alesis i FW i USB takodje moze 16 in/out, mislim da se zove multimix 16 USB, sta vam tesko da "skocite" i pogledate...Valjda toliko razumem Engleski posle tolikih godina citanja Poz, S Evo ga link:http://www.alesis.com/mixers __________________ We are not alone in the Universe... Last edited by slowstar; 26-01-2009 at 05:00 PM.

26-01-2009, 05:10 PM	#6
DaBear VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 5,794	Re: Maksimum kanala preko usb-a? [sto pricate o USB kad ima FireWire? The ZED-R16 can be employed as a standard analogue mixer while recording multi-track via FireWire or ADAT, a traditional inline mixer recording with send and return per channel via FireWire, or as a MIDI controller via switchable channel faders. It features 16 mono inputs, 2 stereo inputs, a high quality dual mic pre-amp, 4-band fully-parametric EQ, 4 auxes, a stereo bus, 2 stereo returns, and 18+18 FireWire I/O and 8+8 ADAT I/O. For studio work, there are control room speaker outputs, two separate artist monitor feeds, two analogue recording outputs in addition to the digital interface, and a dedicated internal condenser talkback mic. Each channel has its own independent soundcard channel, so instruments can be recorded simultaneously (pre or post EQ) into the sequencer separately. To minimise clock jitter and provide synchronicity between the ZED-R16 and other devices, the mixer is equipped with the professional JetPLL? digital audio chipset. ZED-R16 is equipped with a host of MIDI control options. As well as the 4 dedicated MIDI faders, 12 rotary controllers, 12 switches, and 5 dedicated transport switches, all channel faders can also be switched to become MIDI faders. As with all models in the ZED range, the ZED-R16 is also bundled with Cakewalk?s SONAR LE music production software. In addition to multi-track recording, the ZED-R16 allows mixing down in analogue, then recording back into the computer in digital. __________________ Ja sam svestran - sve mi je strano ! Sinewave Surfers Messy Boys SE16 Zoran http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2&l=57cd77e7d1 http://soundcloud.com/dabear

26-01-2009, 05:15 PM	#7
HeatMan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Beograd Posts: 3,720	Re: Maksimum kanala preko usb-a? ma zato shto sam ja pocheo prichu o zed r16tici iako je na fw-u a gledao sam neki review na tjubu il tako negde.. nije bio r16 nego neki drugi iz iste linije.. pa su rekli da preko usba mogu svi kanali da se poshalju.. verovatno misleci dva po dva jbg..

26-01-2009, 11:00 PM	#9
Arthur MAO Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shenzhen, China Posts: 6,981	Re: Maksimum kanala preko usb-a? jes drugari, al taj r16 je preko 2k eura. Mislim da je to malo kome ovde isplativo Onyx ne izađe ni kilo i po __________________ http://www.facebook.com/ArthurLoa http://www.facebook.com/note.php?not...68263589864927

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