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Old 11-01-2009, 03:36 PM   #1
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@ dabear ti me bas ...

elem necu da "pruzam dokaze" nego cu samo pitati zasto ce profesorima muzike kompjuter i sekvencer da svira umesto njih ??? ja sam licno video a i na youtube-u gomilu njihovih gresaka tokom kocerata

pa njihove "lead melodijce" nije tesko svirati uzivo i oni to i rade (i grese) ali sigurno niko ne svira uzivo bas linije (kojih ima tona), polifone staccato akorde i bubnjeve ili sve sto ide ritmicki kroz celu pesmu.

kad malo izanaliziras nema tu mnogo stvari koje idu u pesmi...svako ima po nesto da udari svremena na vreme..neki sum / noize, neko radi malo na padovima a neko na melodijcama...a 85% muzike ide sa sequencera sinhronizovano na video..

pa to valjda nije toliko tesko provaliti...probaj sam da sviras neki bas uz klick ili ritam masinu 3 minuta ili 5..pa zamisli kad svi pocnu malo da se raspadaju..to bi bila havarija.

Od njih niko ni ocekuje da sviraju uzivo - masine to treba da odrade! u tome je ceo njihov koncept!!
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Old 11-01-2009, 03:53 PM   #2
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jes vala tako kako kazes izanalizirao sam ja njih uzivo u prvom redu na bg koncertu , ipak svi smo bili u sumnji dal je sve masine tj sekvencovano ustvari postizu sve ... svi imaju po pedalu da koriste neki efekat ili menjanje patterna , mislim da je malo smesno pricati da sekvenceri sve odrade jer su oni snimali sve uzivo do albuma electric caffe kad je vecina benda izvrsio pritisak na ralfa da predju na midi ....
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Old 11-01-2009, 04:04 PM   #3
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probaj sam da sviras neki bas uz klick ili ritam masinu 3 minuta ili 5..pa zamisli kad svi pocnu malo da se raspadaju..to bi bila havarija.
ziva istina...
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Old 11-01-2009, 04:25 PM   #4
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jes vala tako kako kazes izanalizirao sam ja njih uzivo u prvom redu na bg koncertu , ipak svi smo bili u sumnji dal je sve masine tj sekvencovano ustvari postizu sve ... svi imaju po pedalu da koriste neki efekat ili menjanje patterna , mislim da je malo smesno pricati da sekvenceri sve odrade jer su oni snimali sve uzivo do albuma electric caffe kad je vecina benda izvrsio pritisak na ralfa da predju na midi ....
vidi se da si mlad... bilo je sequencera i pre MIDI-ja..he,he..

mono sequenceri, CV/GATE, step sequenceri,razni "trigger aranzmani" - ljudi su se dovijali!

mi smo svojevremeno programirali trigger koji je okidao note na sintiju a mi "real time" udarali dirke / menjali note i zvucalo ko pravi sequencer!!



kraftwerk sequenceri - late 70's

- 2 "Synthanorma" 16-step custom-built analogue sequencers built by Matten & Wiechers; Dirk Matten said that there were "2 rows of switches, one for semi-tones, one for octaves"

- Triggersumme (a precursor of the Simmons SDS-6, a Matrix of 5x32 clocked switches which allowed Wolfgang Fl?r to program patterns of 2x16 or 1x32 steps, controlling either the Simmons SDS-5 or other rhythm units)

The 1981 Computer World tour included:

- a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 synthesiser
- a Moog Minimoog synthesiser
- a Moog Polymoog synthesiser
- Texas Instruments Language Translator machine (for electronic voices, it has different language memory cards)
- Roland MC8 MicroComposer sequencer (although this was not used on any Kraftwerk records)
- Custom-built 32-step analogue sequencers by Matten & Wiechers
- Texas Instruments Pocket Translator
- Dubreq Stylophone (this is a small handheld 'synth' made in the 1960s, which operated via a stylus touching a metal keyboard, the original versions could not switch octaves; for the sounds of Pocket Calculator)
- Mattel BEEGEE mini keyboard



http://kraftwerkfaq.hu/equipment.html ima ovde svasta, ko hoce da cita....
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Old 11-01-2009, 04:29 PM   #5
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Evo upravo slusam Minimum maximum live i ko dan je jasno da sviraju sekvenceri, nema dileme... Chak i ako trigeruju paterne opet su to gotove sekvence koje su usinkane
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jes vala tako kako kazes izanalizirao sam ja njih uzivo u prvom redu na bg koncertu , ipak svi smo bili u sumnji dal je sve masine tj sekvencovano ustvari postizu sve ... svi imaju po pedalu da koriste neki efekat ili menjanje patterna , mislim da je malo smesno pricati da sekvenceri sve odrade jer su oni snimali sve uzivo do albuma electric caffe kad je vecina benda izvrsio pritisak na ralfa da predju na midi ....
da, ali ako se dobro secam, samo su dvojica imala klavijature...ostali su bili zaduzeni za efekte i miksanje...mislim da se na minimum maximum dvd-u vidi u jednom trenutku sta imaju ispred sebe...
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:01 PM   #7
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cv gate i sl. a ???
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:13 PM   #8
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cisti, scenski navezbani playback !!
od sviranja - nista! Mozda (ali SAMO MOZDA) su neke filtere vrteli - ali cemu kad to samo moze da izkomplikuje sve..!
kao kad igraci nauce da igraju, oni kao nesto vrte dugmice - izgleda mi uverlljivo kao kad vidim DJ-e na bini kako "ko bajagi" vrte neki filter na ploci (koja vec ima to !?)

neveruj televiziji i muzickim spotovima....

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Old 11-01-2009, 09:28 PM   #9
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u prvom snimku se jedino vidi da ralf svira...ostali su samo cackali sendove/efekte/miks...

za drugi snimak mi je i ocekivano da su svirali...
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Na ovim novim nastupima je trigerovanje gotovih sekvenci, vidi se iz aviona, eto jedino je Ralf taj sint svirao na kraju.... I skroz mi je okej taj koncept nastupa, vidi se da se dosta zezaju za envelopima i efektima, ali te sekvence su vec odsvirane... A ovaj stari video je stvarno live, ne verujem da je plejbek..
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