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Mason
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Otkude Ni?, Serbia
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A da ja lepo zakljucam ovu temu, pa da ne bude vise svadje?
![]() Buzge je verovatno posao to da uradi, pa ste ga vi ubedili da vam se pridruzi ![]() Odakle ti ideja da bilo kog clana nazoves "nadobudnim", bio to Perun, ili "nekolicina ljudi na ovom forumu"? Uzdrzi se otvorenog vredjanja koje se moze zavrsiti katancem na temi, ili, ne daj Boze, sankcionisanjem, a ako bas zelis da uvredis nekoga, nauci od nas "nadobudnih", ali i iskusnih, da karas, a da to bude legalno ![]() Sto se tice zvuka... ovo mi lici na bespotrebnu raspravu. Licno mislim da se lepse, lakse i kvalitetnije radi sa vecom paletom alata. Ne mislim da je analogija "bolja" od digitalije, ne mislim ni da je digitalija bolja od analogije, volim i native efekte, a volim i DSP efekte... ima dobrih i na jednoj i na drugoj strani. Volim Altiverb, ali volim i Plate 140, volim Waves SSL, ali volim i UAD-Neve... volim sve sto vole mladi ![]() Radim sa onim sto imam i sa onim "sto mogu da se ogrebem" kad i ako zatreba... Ali svakako mislim da dobri tonci imaju para, a i posla, pa ne moras da brines... ako je tacno ovo sto si naveo, kupices uskoro SSL, Neve, Nivea, ili sta vec ![]() Dakle... samo bez vredjanja i napushivanja ![]()
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 410
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tacno tako kako je perun rekao. cak sta vise mislim da je ovaj test korektan i stvarno sam ponosan sto konacno jedan in the box mix moze da zvuci tako..i superiorniji je tu nema sta...ali to je sve SALES GIMMICK!!! kako moze digi da pravi 'test' oko svog proizvoda vs necijeg drugog. to je onda 'dokazivanje' a ne 'test'.
i ja sam pre nekih sest meseci radio identican takav test sa multitrackom americkog benda samo bez waves-a sto je impiciralo da je i ssl bio flat u setinzima. i velike fadere i male fadere. iii guess what? cuje se razlika! |
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SuperModerator
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Novi Sad
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ma naravno. samo gluv moze da prica da je to isto, kao i onaj ko nije probao oba. pa da verovatno su svi koji imaju mixere konji i vole da trose pare
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: London UK
Posts: 5,794
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Jedan od tih likova je rekao (ako ste propustili)..kad miks izadje iz studija, ( iz sobe gde se sve cuje i gde si 100% skoncentrisan na muziku) i isti pusti normalnim ljudima, oni nece da primete razliku. To je najbitnije i poenta svega.... Ja se secam kad su svojevremeno radili neke druge testove u Studio Soundu, (vrhunski pro magazin u ono vreme) ..zvuk onog digitalc, i ovog itd..i konvertori itd..i 90% faca se zeznulo !! Sve je u glavi. Ja stalno pokusavam da odradim sve ITB, ali se uvek na pola miksa vratim na analogni desk i rashirim lepo sve, pobodem outboard itd... ALI, moj PT je stari Mix sistem i novi zvuci MNOOGO bolje i plug ins su MNOOGO bolji od starih! Pa kad se (u bizi studiju sa bizi producentima) radi po 3-4 totalno razlicita projekta jedan za drugim (ili cak u isto vreme!!?) onda ITB ima i te kako veze!! Moram priznati da se lomim.. |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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![]() Po meni ono sto astal donosi , ima smisla samo kad se prevazidju decije bolesti u mixu , gde se 95 % ljudi saplete . A sto se tice hirurskih operacija ....... analogija nema mnogo odgovora . Svi su se bacili na " ono nesto " a vecina nije u stanju da dodje do " tog necega " . Da me ne shvatite pogresno analogija svakako ima svoj zvuk ( D' angelo i sl ) i to ne se moze ili se jako tesko dobija pluggovima . Ali sam ovaj test ( kakav god da je vama ) meni je samo znak da se ITB jaaaako priblizio tom analognom zvuku , kad oni uopste smeju da se hvataju u kostac ..... E sad .... znam kako je tesko kad kupis spravu ... i onda talentovani klinac te izuje na SB live u ...... sta da kazes osim .... nema bez opreme .... a i na nesto mora da se pokupi musterija ? Ako nista , a ono na opremu ![]() Evo , posto mi se vise smucilo da slusam ove preglupe price .... ko god misli da moze da uradi mix ( sa bilo kojim spravama ) a da se to ne moze ponoviti ITB ( pricam o nasim producentima ) neka posalje mix ..... a ja cu to sve ponoviti ITB ..... ...... hajde sad da pricamo o tehnikama snimanja , o mixu , o necemu sto ima smisla ![]() Pozdrav |
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Psiho
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Rijeka / HR
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![]() Evo shta rade "nashi" tonci koi stanuju u jednosobnim stanovima (smanjit chu font jerbo toga ima dosta): brian malouf: SICK PUPPIES (RMR / Virgin) - Smashing Pumpkins Tribute ANJELIQUE KIDJO / PETER GABRIEL - (Razor and Tie) GOMEZ (ATO Records) - How We Operate “I See You” - Mixed SHAWN MULLINS - “Find Love” - Mixed DAVE MATTHEWS BAND - The Best of What’s Around - all live concert mixes DIECAST (Century Media) - Current album Mixed 3 tracks ARMY OF ME (Atlantic) - Citizen – “Going Through Changes” “Saved Your Life” - Mixed HOWIE DAY (Epic) - Live From… – Mixed CORBIN BLEU (Hollywood) - Upcoming LP - Engineered PUSSYCAT DOLLS (A&M / Geffen) - Live DVD – Mixed GREAT GLASS ELEVATOR (Atlantic) - Our Hands Turn Into Machines – Prod / Mix O.A.R. (Atlantic) - Stories Of A Stranger – Mixed 5 songs TODD CAREY (Inspiration Factory) - Upcoming LP - Mixed GREEN CHILDREN - Upcoming LP – Mixed MEGAN MCCAULEY (Wind-Up) - “Porcelain Doll” - Mixed DAVID USHER (Maple Music) - Strange Birds – Prod / Mix GEORGE SIMON STANFORD (Mercury) - Upcoming LP - Prod / Rec / Mix DAVE MATTHEWS / TIM REYNOLDS - (RCA Records) MATT NATHANSON (Vanguard) - Upcoming LP - Mixed KALAN PORTER (SONY / BMG) - Upcoming LP - Prod / Eng / Mix SAVING JANE (Universal) - Come Down To Me – Prod / Mix MICHAEL FRANTI and SPEARHEAD YELL FIRE ! - Mixed (Epitaph) BUTTERFLY BOUCHER (Interscope) - Upcoming LP – Prod / Rec / Mix ZIGGY MARLEY - Love Is My Religion – Mixed 3 tracks LACUNA COIL (Century Media) - Karmacode – Mixed 3 tracks NATASHA BEDINGFIELD (BMG) - Unwritten “Peace of Me” – Mixed THE DISTANCE (Abucus) - “Brokenhearted” – Mixed PINK (La Face) - I’m Not Dead – mixed 1 track BIG CITY ROCK (Atlantic) - Big City Rock – Co-Produced DRIVE BLIND (Interscope) - Drive Blind – Mixed AS FAST AS (J Octone) - Open Letter To The Damned – Mixed ANTIGONE RISING (Atlantic) - “Don’t Look Back” - Mixed EMMA ROBERTS (Columbia) - Unfabulous – Prod / Rec / Mix GAVIN DEGRAW (J Records) - “I Don’t Want To Be” – Live Mix FOUNTAINS OF WAYNE - “What You Already Did” from the film Robots CHANTAL KREVIAZUK (Sony Canada) - What If It All Means Something – Mixed LOUDERMILK (Dreamworks) - The Red Record – Mixed CAROLYN DAWN JOHNSON (RCA) - “Complicated” – Add. Prod / Mixed SKRAPE (RCA) - “Waste”- Radio Mix MACY GRAY (Epic) - Live Mixes TRACY BONHAM - “Behind Every Good Woman”, “Fake It” – Mixed DAVID GRAY (RCA) - “Babylon”, “Please Forgive Me” – Mixed TARA MACLEAN (Nettwerk / Capitol) - Mixed 7 Songs SUPERTRANSATLANTIC (Universal) - “Superdown” – Mixed THE DROWNERS (Wind-Up) - “Is There Something On Your Mind” – Mixed THIRD EYE BLIND (Elektra) - “Never Let You Go” – Rock Radio Remix LIT (RCA) - A Place In The Sun – Mixed TRAVIS (Epic) - “Turn” – Mixed EVERCLEAR (Capitol) - Sparkle and Fade – Co-Prod / Mix TONIC (Universal) - “You Wanted More” – Mixed SHANNON CURFMAN (Arista) - “Playing With Fire” – Mixed KID ROCK (Atlantic) - “Bawitdaba” – Mixed PEARL JAM (Columbia) - “Evenflow” – Radio / Video Mix SISTER HAZEL (Universal) - “All For You” – Mixed NIK KERSHAW (MCA) - The Works - Co-Prod / Rec / Mix HUM (RCA) - Downward is Heaven – Mixed EVE 6 (RCA) - “Inside Out”, “Leech”, “Tongue Tied” – Radio Mixes THE VERVE PIPE (RCA) - “Villains” – Mixed EDNA SWAP (Island) - Wonderland Park – Mixed LIVE (Radioactive) - “The Dolphins Cry” Top 40 remix - Mixed SOPHIE B. HAWKINS (Columbia) - “Only Love” – Mixed LISA LOEB & NINE STORIES (Geffen) - Tails – Mixed ARCADE (Epic) - Arcade – Mixed NINE DAYS - Story of a Girl – Mixed 3 songs MICHAEL JACKSON (Epic) - BAD – Recorded QUEEN (Hollywood) - Live At Wembley – Mixed PETER KINGSBERRY (Polydor) - Different Man – Mixed CELINE DION (Sony Music Canada) - “Next Plane Out” – Mixed DAMN THE MACHINE (A&M) - Damn The Machine – Produced GIN BLOSSOMS (A&M) - “Until I Fall Away” – Mixed CECE PENNISTON (A&M) - “Finally” – Prod / Eng / Mix BRIAN MAY (Hollywood) - “Driven By You” – Mixed EXTREME (A&M) - “More Than Words” – Add. Prod / Mix QUEEN (Hollywood) - “Fat Bottom Girls” – Mixed QUEEN (Hollywood) - Innuendo – Mixed 2 singles BON JOVI (Mercury) - “The Boys Are Back In Town” – Mixed SLAUGHTER (Chrysallis) - Stick It To Ya - Mixed 7 tracks STARSHIP (RCA) - No Protection - Mixed 6 tracks SARAH MACLACKLAN (Capitol) - “Terms of Endearment” – Mixed NATURAL SELECTION (East / West) - “Do Anything” – Add. Prod / Mixed AMY GRANT (RCA) - Heart In Motion – Mixed 4 tracks SMOKEY ROBINSON (Motown) - “Everything You Touch”, “Take Me Through The Night”- Mixed HALL & OATES (Arista) - “Heavy Rain” – Mixed NATALIE COLE (EMI) - Good To Be Back – Mixed 3 Tracks STEPHANIE MILLS (MCA) - “The Time of Your Life” – Mixed SOUNDTRACK CREDITS SWEET HOME ALABAMA (Hollywood) The Calling “Keep Your Hands To Yourself” NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM (Atlantic) Keke & Cham “Tonight” - Mixed GREAT EXPECTATIONS (Radioactive) The Verve Pipe “Her Ornament” – Prod / Mix 5.1 REALITY BITES (Chrysalis) Lisa Loeb “Stay” – Mixed SINGLES (Epic) Pearl Jam “Breathe” – Mixed DICK TRACY (WB) “I’m Breathless” Madonna – Mixed TOP GUN (Columbia) Kenny Loggins “Playing With The Boys” – Mixed YOUNGBLOODS (RCA) Starship “Cut Down To Size” – Mixed BACK TO THE BEACH (Columbia) Hancock, Bozzio, Zappa “Wipe Out” - Mixed THE RUGRATS (Interscope) Lisa Loeb “All Day” – Prod / Mix erik zobler (ovo je svega par naslova a dalje mi se ne da trazhit jer je ochito da dotichni radi u vrhu svjetske glazbene i filmske scene) Grammy Awards of 2002 for Best Jazz Vocal Album - Erik Zobler (engineer), George Duke (producer) & Dianne Reeves for The Calling Whitney Houston Mezzoforte - Better Love Miles Davis - Tutu CD Sue Ann - Blue velvet Royalty - Rich and famous Michael Jackson Footloose [Original Soundtrack] Ako tipovi koi rade za Peter Gabriel, Whitney Houston, Dianne Reeves, Cline Dion, Queen, Extreme, Bon Jovi, David Usher, Pink, Pearl Jam itd, itd... ...ako oni ne znaju o chemu prichaju onda ne znam tko zna. Nevjerojatno kako ljudi imaju potrebu diskreditirati svakoga tko se usudi rechi na glas da preskupa oprema vishe nema realnih prednosti pred 300 puta jeftinijom digitalnom "in the box" opremom. ps: tek da imate u vidu ja sam Waves SSL isprobao i deinstalirao. Meni se ne svidja ono shto dobijem s njima, a iskustva sa SSL stolovima nemam uopche. Jebe mi se jesu li software i hardver slichni, isti ili razlichiti, ali mi je smjeshno kako vrhunske SVJETSKE inzhinjere strpate u jednosobni stan da bi lakshe ignorirali njihovo mishljenje temeljeno na AB testovima. Bash jadno!
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