SSL mix "protiv" SSL Plug in miksa...

[DaBear]

na digidesign sajtu..interesantan experiment.

Dali su trojici poznatih mixera
(Mike Shipley (Maroon 5, Green Day, Nickelback),
Brian Malouf (Queen, Madonna, Seal),
and Erik Zobler (Stanley Clarke, George Duke, Whitney Houston)

da urade mix na SSL desku sa eq, compressorima itd...

Onda su ludaci iz Digi-ja sa Waves SSL plug ins i Eventide delay compensation plugom izkopirali eq i comps sa deska na Waves plugove...

ko hoce nek slusa, ima malo jazz, malo rock...pa ko moze da pogodi..

http://digidesign.com/xtras/mediaPla...6458&langid=51 video

http://digidesign.com/index.cfm?lang...9&itemid=25669 muzika

[fipke]

zanimljivo, priznajem, ali ne da su namazani trgovci - pa to je nevidjeno...

[roginator]

pa da super...KOME JOS TREBA SSL...Ionako je to samo velika kutija s PUNO SARAFA...a nasi tonci uglavnom zive u jednosobnim stanovima

[Moritz]

To mora da su neki dobrostojeci tonci .......

[perun]

Eeee... da dobar snimak/mix cini samo dobra oprema, bilo bi lepo. Tj. ovaj test bi imao smisla.

Pozdrav.

[Rhino]

Nikad u zivotu nisam sjeo za pravog ssl-a, mada ovu kolekciju plugova smatram za jednu on najkorisnijih....
Neka me neko upozori ako nije tako.....

[SHIVA]

Originally Posted by roginator

pa da super...KOME JOS TREBA SSL...Ionako je to samo velika kutija s PUNO SARAFA...a nasi tonci uglavnom zive u jednosobnim stanovima

Nie mi vrag dao mira pa sam ishao provjerit koi su to "tonci" koi se dali svoj glas digitalnom "in the box" mixanju. Nekako sam imao feeling da neche bit bash producenti Alena Islamovicha, ali sam se jako iznenadio kad sam vidio shta konkretno ti ljudi rade. Uzeo sam samo dvoicu koi NE rade za digidesign. Ostali su sluzhbeno pristrani pa hvale konja za kojeg rade

Evo shta rade "nashi" tonci koi stanuju u jednosobnim stanovima (smanjit chu font jerbo toga ima dosta):

brian malouf:
SICK PUPPIES (RMR / Virgin) - Smashing Pumpkins Tribute
ANJELIQUE KIDJO / PETER GABRIEL - (Razor and Tie)
GOMEZ (ATO Records) - How We Operate “I See You” - Mixed
SHAWN MULLINS - “Find Love” - Mixed
DAVE MATTHEWS BAND - The Best of What’s Around - all live concert mixes
DIECAST (Century Media) - Current album Mixed 3 tracks
ARMY OF ME (Atlantic) - Citizen – “Going Through Changes” “Saved Your Life” - Mixed
HOWIE DAY (Epic) - Live From… – Mixed
CORBIN BLEU (Hollywood) - Upcoming LP - Engineered
PUSSYCAT DOLLS (A&M / Geffen) - Live DVD – Mixed
GREAT GLASS ELEVATOR (Atlantic) - Our Hands Turn Into Machines – Prod / Mix
O.A.R. (Atlantic) - Stories Of A Stranger – Mixed 5 songs
TODD CAREY (Inspiration Factory) - Upcoming LP - Mixed
GREEN CHILDREN - Upcoming LP – Mixed
MEGAN MCCAULEY (Wind-Up) - “Porcelain Doll” - Mixed
DAVID USHER (Maple Music) - Strange Birds – Prod / Mix
GEORGE SIMON STANFORD (Mercury) - Upcoming LP - Prod / Rec / Mix
DAVE MATTHEWS / TIM REYNOLDS - (RCA Records)
MATT NATHANSON (Vanguard) - Upcoming LP - Mixed
KALAN PORTER (SONY / BMG) - Upcoming LP - Prod / Eng / Mix
SAVING JANE (Universal) - Come Down To Me – Prod / Mix
MICHAEL FRANTI and SPEARHEAD
YELL FIRE ! - Mixed (Epitaph)
BUTTERFLY BOUCHER (Interscope) - Upcoming LP – Prod / Rec / Mix
ZIGGY MARLEY - Love Is My Religion – Mixed 3 tracks
LACUNA COIL (Century Media) - Karmacode – Mixed 3 tracks
NATASHA BEDINGFIELD (BMG) - Unwritten “Peace of Me” – Mixed
THE DISTANCE (Abucus) - “Brokenhearted” – Mixed
PINK (La Face) - I’m Not Dead – mixed 1 track
BIG CITY ROCK (Atlantic) - Big City Rock – Co-Produced
DRIVE BLIND (Interscope) - Drive Blind – Mixed
AS FAST AS (J Octone) - Open Letter To The Damned – Mixed
ANTIGONE RISING (Atlantic) - “Don’t Look Back” - Mixed
EMMA ROBERTS (Columbia) - Unfabulous – Prod / Rec / Mix
GAVIN DEGRAW (J Records) - “I Don’t Want To Be” – Live Mix
FOUNTAINS OF WAYNE - “What You Already Did” from the film Robots
CHANTAL KREVIAZUK (Sony Canada) - What If It All Means Something – Mixed
LOUDERMILK (Dreamworks) - The Red Record – Mixed
CAROLYN DAWN JOHNSON (RCA) - “Complicated” – Add. Prod / Mixed
SKRAPE (RCA) - “Waste”- Radio Mix
MACY GRAY (Epic) - Live Mixes
TRACY BONHAM - “Behind Every Good Woman”, “Fake It” – Mixed
DAVID GRAY (RCA) - “Babylon”, “Please Forgive Me” – Mixed
TARA MACLEAN (Nettwerk / Capitol) - Mixed 7 Songs
SUPERTRANSATLANTIC (Universal) - “Superdown” – Mixed
THE DROWNERS (Wind-Up) - “Is There Something On Your Mind” – Mixed
THIRD EYE BLIND (Elektra) - “Never Let You Go” – Rock Radio Remix
LIT (RCA) - A Place In The Sun – Mixed
TRAVIS (Epic) - “Turn” – Mixed
EVERCLEAR (Capitol) - Sparkle and Fade – Co-Prod / Mix
TONIC (Universal) - “You Wanted More” – Mixed
SHANNON CURFMAN (Arista) - “Playing With Fire” – Mixed
KID ROCK (Atlantic) - “Bawitdaba” – Mixed
PEARL JAM (Columbia) - “Evenflow” – Radio / Video Mix
SISTER HAZEL (Universal) - “All For You” – Mixed
NIK KERSHAW (MCA) - The Works - Co-Prod / Rec / Mix
HUM (RCA) - Downward is Heaven – Mixed
EVE 6 (RCA) - “Inside Out”, “Leech”, “Tongue Tied” – Radio Mixes
THE VERVE PIPE (RCA) - “Villains” – Mixed
EDNA SWAP (Island) - Wonderland Park – Mixed
LIVE (Radioactive) - “The Dolphins Cry” Top 40 remix - Mixed
SOPHIE B. HAWKINS (Columbia) - “Only Love” – Mixed
LISA LOEB & NINE STORIES (Geffen) - Tails – Mixed
ARCADE (Epic) - Arcade – Mixed
NINE DAYS - Story of a Girl – Mixed 3 songs
MICHAEL JACKSON (Epic) - BAD – Recorded
QUEEN (Hollywood) - Live At Wembley – Mixed
PETER KINGSBERRY (Polydor) - Different Man – Mixed
CELINE DION (Sony Music Canada) - “Next Plane Out” – Mixed
DAMN THE MACHINE (A&M) - Damn The Machine – Produced
GIN BLOSSOMS (A&M) - “Until I Fall Away” – Mixed
CECE PENNISTON (A&M) - “Finally” – Prod / Eng / Mix
BRIAN MAY (Hollywood) - “Driven By You” – Mixed
EXTREME (A&M) - “More Than Words” – Add. Prod / Mix
QUEEN (Hollywood) - “Fat Bottom Girls” – Mixed
QUEEN (Hollywood) - Innuendo – Mixed 2 singles
BON JOVI (Mercury) - “The Boys Are Back In Town” – Mixed
SLAUGHTER (Chrysallis) - Stick It To Ya - Mixed 7 tracks
STARSHIP (RCA) - No Protection - Mixed 6 tracks
SARAH MACLACKLAN (Capitol) - “Terms of Endearment” – Mixed
NATURAL SELECTION (East / West) - “Do Anything” – Add. Prod / Mixed
AMY GRANT (RCA) - Heart In Motion – Mixed 4 tracks
SMOKEY ROBINSON (Motown) - “Everything You Touch”, “Take Me Through The Night”- Mixed
HALL & OATES (Arista) - “Heavy Rain” – Mixed
NATALIE COLE (EMI) - Good To Be Back – Mixed 3 Tracks
STEPHANIE MILLS (MCA) - “The Time of Your Life” – Mixed

SOUNDTRACK CREDITS

SWEET HOME ALABAMA (Hollywood) The Calling “Keep Your Hands To Yourself”
NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM (Atlantic) Keke & Cham “Tonight” - Mixed
GREAT EXPECTATIONS (Radioactive) The Verve Pipe “Her Ornament” – Prod / Mix 5.1
REALITY BITES (Chrysalis) Lisa Loeb “Stay” – Mixed
SINGLES (Epic) Pearl Jam “Breathe” – Mixed
DICK TRACY (WB) “I’m Breathless” Madonna – Mixed
TOP GUN (Columbia) Kenny Loggins “Playing With The Boys” – Mixed
YOUNGBLOODS (RCA) Starship “Cut Down To Size” – Mixed
BACK TO THE BEACH (Columbia) Hancock, Bozzio, Zappa “Wipe Out” - Mixed
THE RUGRATS (Interscope) Lisa Loeb “All Day” – Prod / Mix

erik zobler
(ovo je svega par naslova a dalje mi se ne da trazhit jer je ochito da dotichni radi u vrhu svjetske glazbene i filmske scene)

Grammy Awards of 2002 for Best Jazz Vocal Album
- Erik Zobler (engineer), George Duke (producer) & Dianne Reeves for The Calling

Whitney Houston
Mezzoforte - Better Love
Miles Davis - Tutu CD
Sue Ann - Blue velvet
Royalty - Rich and famous
Michael Jackson
Footloose [Original Soundtrack]

Ako tipovi koi rade za Peter Gabriel, Whitney Houston, Dianne Reeves, Cline Dion, Queen, Extreme, Bon Jovi, David Usher, Pink, Pearl Jam itd, itd... ...ako oni ne znaju o chemu prichaju onda ne znam tko zna.

Nevjerojatno kako ljudi imaju potrebu diskreditirati svakoga tko se usudi rechi na glas da preskupa oprema vishe nema realnih prednosti pred 300 puta jeftinijom digitalnom "in the box" opremom.

ps: tek da imate u vidu ja sam Waves SSL isprobao i deinstalirao. Meni se ne svidja ono shto dobijem s njima, a iskustva sa SSL stolovima nemam uopche. Jebe mi se jesu li software i hardver slichni, isti ili razlichiti, ali mi je smjeshno kako vrhunske SVJETSKE inzhinjere strpate u jednosobni stan da bi lakshe ignorirali njihovo mishljenje temeljeno na AB testovima. Bash jadno!

[SHIVA]

Originally Posted by perun

Eeee... da dobar snimak/mix cini samo dobra oprema, bilo bi lepo. Tj. ovaj test bi imao smisla.

Pozdrav.

Mozhda ja bash ne razumijem najbolje shto time zhelish rechi, pa me ti ispravi ako grijeshim, ali po ovome shto si rekao ispada da se ipak ljudska ruka najvishe osjeti na rezultatu, a oprema je manje bitna.

No zashto onda test nema smisla? Test nedvojbeno pokazuje da vrhunska "soft" oprema vech daje jednako dobre rezultate kao vishestruko skuplja "hard" oprema. Smisao testa je da ti ushtedi razliku izmedju cijene Waves SSL paketa i analognog SSL stola (i dosta mjesta u studiu) jer che rezultati po pitanju zvuka biti isti a digitalni procesi su josh i "noise free" pa te ne jebe susjedova kosilica dok mixash stvar na analognom pultu.

[perun]

Mozhda ja bash ne razumijem najbolje shto time zhelish rechi, pa me ti ispravi ako grijeshim, ali po ovome shto si rekao ispada da se ipak ljudska ruka najvishe osjeti na rezultatu, a oprema je manje bitna.

Oprema jeste bitna, ali postoji "to nesto" jos bitnije! Na srecu...

No zashto onda test nema smisla?

1. Jer je radjem u reklamne svrhe!

2. Jer se svaki EQ ponasa vrlo slicno u sitnim intervencijama! U extremnim plug in ne moze prici astalu! Tj. hardveru. Prvenstveno na umu imam SSL... A kao vlasnik i korisnik SSL stola i sam sam vise puta radio testiranja i poredjenja sa Wavesom, sto EQ-om sto kompresorom, to nema veze s mozgom! Ne Waves, vec rezultati poredjenja! Plug je sam za sebe solidan. Ali u trci nema sta da trazi.

3. Jer je sve snimljeno vrhunski, ili bar skoro vrhunski, tako da ni ne znamo sta je, koliko i kako obradjivano na uredjajima/plagovima! Mozda nista nisu ni radili... Za test nam fali jos jedan, najbitniji parametar... Trackovi koji su suvi, tj. neobradjivani!

4. Jer ste uglavnom svi korisnici softvera i jedva cekate da cujete, cak i debilan test, po kom, recimo plug inovi (citaj vase jedino oruzje) zvuci mozda cak i bolje od onoga cija je kopija!!! A da pritom ne ulazite u detalje tipa... kako je sta snimljeno, kako zvuci bez ekvilizacije itd.

Test nedvojbeno pokazuje da vrhunska "soft" oprema vech daje jednako dobre rezultate kao vishestruko skuplja "hard" oprema. Smisao testa je da ti ushtedi razliku izmedju cijene Waves SSL paketa i analognog SSL stola (i dosta mjesta u studiu) jer che rezultati po pitanju zvuka biti isti a digitalni procesi su josh i "noise free" pa te ne jebe susjedova kosilica dok mixash stvar na analognom pultu.

Procitaj stavku 4. iznad jos jednom! P.S. Mene ne jebe susjedova kosilica, nece ni tebe ako kupis sto i solidnu "struju" pre njega!

Pozdrav.

[fipke]

tacno tako kako je perun rekao. cak sta vise mislim da je ovaj test korektan i stvarno sam ponosan sto konacno jedan in the box mix moze da zvuci tako..i superiorniji je tu nema sta...ali to je sve SALES GIMMICK!!! kako moze digi da pravi 'test' oko svog proizvoda vs necijeg drugog. to je onda 'dokazivanje' a ne 'test'.
i ja sam pre nekih sest meseci radio identican takav test sa multitrackom americkog benda samo bez waves-a sto je impiciralo da je i ssl bio flat u setinzima. i velike fadere i male fadere. iii guess what? cuje se razlika!