Go Back   Rumski Forum > Studijska tehnika i instrumenti > Ostali muzički instrumenti i studijska oprema

Ostali muzički instrumenti i studijska oprema Pregled i karakteristike ostalih instrumenata, gitara, mikrofona, preampa, rack efekata, mikseta, patch bays, modula, semplera.... Diskutujte na ovom mestu

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-05-2013, 09:45 PM   #1
Sky Net
Member
 
Sky Net's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 261
Default Steinberg MR816CSX sa externim preampom

U planu mi je kupovina ovog uredjaja:


C/p ukratko specifikacije:
  • Eight Class A "D-Pre" microphone preamplifiers with XLR/TRS jacks
  • Individually selectable phantom power and a -26dB pad
  • Professional I/O, including ADAT, S/PDIF, and word clock
  • DSP-powered reverb, compression, and EQ with Sweet Spot Morphing for tracking
  • Plug-in DSP effects for mixing and mastering
  • Advanced Cubase integration features, including Quick Connect routing
  • Eight TRS outputs as well as inserts for patching in your outboard gear
  • Can stack three MR816 CSX systems for 48-in/48-out plus more DSP
  • Includes Cubase AI4 recording software
Sad pitanje, na koji nacin nadograditi sa externim preampom, a da to nije preko adata? Dosta sam trazio, i na nekim mjestima nasao podatak da navodno ''nije moguce zaobici postojeca predpojacala'', sto bi u prevodu znacilo da idem iz predpojacala ponovo u predpojacalo?! E sad, neki tvrde da to rijese tako sto jednostavno uvedu line u jedna od ulaza CSX jedinice, i smanje gain do kraja, a dalje kanal softverski tretiraju kao da se u stvari koristi normalno taj ulazni kanal CSX-a, dok drugi govore kako u ovaj insert nazad uvode ulaz externog preampa, ali stavljaju dzek na ''pola klika'', citiram ''You can bypass the onboard pres by going 1/4 into the insert, but only clicking the cable halfway'' ako ima neko da mi to malo pojasni, posto mi je bas konfuzija u glavi po pitanju toga.
Sky Net is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 07:03 AM   #2
STUDIOTON
Ivan Lekic
 
STUDIOTON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Kraljevo
Posts: 3,256
Default

Kod mene je tako na rme octamic 2.. imam 8 kanala na njemu koja koristim kao AD konvertor.. a svaki kanal ima gain knob bas kao i ovaj steinberg.. rme radi bas na tom principu, kada je gain na na nuli tj ne koristi se onda je samo ad konverzija.. ukoliko zelis pre samo podignes gain.. ne treba to da te opterecuje toliko
__________________
STUDIOTON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2013, 04:43 PM   #3
Sky Net
Member
 
Sky Net's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 261
Default Re: Steinberg MR816CSX sa externim preampom

Hvala na odgovoru..ma vidim na stranim forumima ljudi prave pompu oko toga, i niko nista konkretno ne govori, pa sam i pomislio da ima ovdje ljudi koji imaju info iz prve ruke, ili bar sa slicnom situacijom..iako jos ne shvatam ovo ''but only clicking the cable halfway'', ali svakako mi je odgovor od velike pomoci
Sky Net is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 11:04 AM   #4
STUDIOTON
Ivan Lekic
 
STUDIOTON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Kraljevo
Posts: 3,256
Default Re: Steinberg MR816CSX sa externim preampom

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyNet View Post
iako jos ne shvatam ovo ''but only clicking the cable halfway''
Ko zna ko je to napisao i koliko taj "zna" .. ako nesto pise na engleskom ne mora da znaci da je to iskljucivo tako .. gearslutz je jedan od najvecih foruma za ovaj nas posao i interesovanje, ali isto tako i neuporedivo vise "gluposti" imas da procitas od bilo kog drugog foruma, neuporedivo vise dezinformacija, proizvoljnih tumacenja i sl. Prema tome, steinberg karta za koju si zainteresovan je vrlo dobra, i to sto ima preampe na svakom kanalu je samo prednost, koju nekada mozes da iskoristis .. preampi na mom rme-u iako integrisani u nekoliko slucajeva su me vadili i savrseno odradili posao ..

A sto se tice ''but only clicking the cable halfway'' iako ne znam gde si to procitao, mislim da veze nema sa zivotom i da to niko ozbiljan ne bi napisao .. sve u svemu tu informaciju kako bi bio siguran mozes proveriti OVDE , podrska je generalno veoma dobra, na visokom nivou, a osim toga javice ti se ljudi koji imaju taj interface i koji ga koriste pa mozes dobiti informaciju iz prve ruke, pozz
__________________
STUDIOTON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 04:28 PM   #5
Sky Net
Member
 
Sky Net's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 261
Default Re: Steinberg MR816CSX sa externim preampom

Pregledao kompletan dio Steinbergovog foruma vezan za MR816CSX..za dodatne ulaze/preampe, ima varijanta preko insert O/I na zadnjoj strani, kao i onako kako ti Ivane radis na RME-u, sa gainom na nulu. U svakom slucaju, vezano za prosirenje ulaznih kanala (i to mi je palo na um da pogledam) - vezivanjem dva ova interfejsa preko firewire-a gubi se direct monitoring drugog uredjaja, dok preko adat-a to funkcionise. U RME-ovom total mix-u je daleko bolje rijeseno pitanje routing-a, ali ce mi za moje potrebe biti dovoljan i mr-ov routing softver.
Sky Net is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 04:35 PM   #6
Sky Net
Member
 
Sky Net's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 261
Default Re: Steinberg MR816CSX sa externim preampom

A dosta sam trazio i razlog zasto je ovaj uredjaj toliko ''jeftiniji'' u odnosu na ostale iz viseg ranga zasnovane na ovom principu..preampi su iz Yamahinog mixera N12, tako da ni sama proizvodnja nije iziskivala da se sve pravi ''from scratch''..kako procitah negdje u jednom od testiranja - sa ovim performansama koje nudi, da se zove UAD, Lynx ili RME, kostao bi bar duplo..razlog tome je vjerovatnoi to sto je samoj korporaciji bilo u interesu da puste u prodaju uredjaj koji ce imati potpunu integraciju sa softverom, a u isto vrijeme nece biti finansijski toliko nedopstupan, to je neko moje misljenje. Bilo kako bilo, napravili su dobar posao.
Sky Net is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 11:25 PM   #7
DigitalMan
Member
 
DigitalMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 50
Default Re: Steinberg MR816CSX sa externim preampom

...ne znam da li si upoznat sa studijskim "pacth poljem" i načinom na koji funkcioni?e, naime patchbay mo?e biti normal ili half-normal, gde insertovani jack ili "breaks the signal flow" ili ako je samo do pola "splits the signal flow", pa je moguće da ubacivanjem d?eka samo na pola, ustvari zaobilazi? preamp...

"One thing to be aware of is that many of this generation?s I/O boxes and even mixing consoles that have built-in mic preamps (and most do, at least for some of the input channels) don?t have switches to select mic or line input for the channels. This is one of the design compromises that makes these gadgets so affordable. Some use XLR-TRS combo jacks, allowing
you to plug in either a mic or line level source, but there?s only one hole so
you can?t have both connected and switch between them. Others have separate connectors for mic and line inputs, but connecting to one disables or cripples the other. This can be a real nuisance in a complex setup and unfortunately it?s something for which a patchbay can provide only a partial solution. Consider how you most frequently make use of the inputs you have. If you never use more than two mic inputs on
your I/O box because you have a bunch of outboard preamps, then connect six line inputs to your patchbay and use the other two
channels for the mic inputs. Or it could be the other way around"

Hope it helps!
DigitalMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-05-2013, 02:47 AM   #8
Arthur
MAO
 
Arthur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Shenzhen, China
Posts: 6,981
Default Re: Steinberg MR816CSX sa externim preampom

kojim performansama? Ima dosta opcija, ali to nije i garant zvučnog kvaliteta.
Uglavnom se u praksi na kraju pokaže princip KPTM kao istinit.
Arthur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-05-2013, 09:03 AM   #9
sasaristic
Senior Member
 
sasaristic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 588
Default Re: Steinberg MR816CSX sa externim preampom

Quote:
Originally Posted by DigitalMan View Post
...ne znam da li si upoznat sa studijskim "pacth poljem" i na?inom na koji funkcioni?e, naime patchbay mo?e biti normal ili half-normal, gde insertovani jack ili "breaks the signal flow" ili ako je samo do pola "splits the signal flow", pa je mogu?e da ubacivanjem d?eka samo na pola, ustvari zaobilazi? preamp...

"One thing to be aware of is that many of this generation?s I/O boxes and even mixing consoles that have built-in mic preamps (and most do, at least for some of the input channels) don?t have switches to select mic or line input for the channels. This is one of the design compromises that makes these gadgets so affordable. Some use XLR-TRS combo jacks, allowing
you to plug in either a mic or line level source, but there?s only one hole so
you can?t have both connected and switch between them. Others have separate connectors for mic and line inputs, but connecting to one disables or cripples the other. This can be a real nuisance in a complex setup and unfortunately it?s something for which a patchbay can provide only a partial solution. Consider how you most frequently make use of the inputs you have. If you never use more than two mic inputs on
your I/O box because you have a bunch of outboard preamps, then connect six line inputs to your patchbay and use the other two
channels for the mic inputs. Or it could be the other way around"

Hope it helps!
Ne sljaka tako mr816.
Svaki AD ima kakav takav ulazni buffer , ukoliko ima preamp onda je to jos jedan ulazni gain stage koga cesto mozes da baypasujes switchom ili jednostavno postoji drugi konektor.Obzirom da je ulaz balansiran , nemas mogucnost da vadis dzek na pola.Kod mr816 jedina dva ulaza koja ne idu kroz preamp, su na insert-u.
Ja sam ga uzeo za prijatelja i testirao par sati kod mene , i u svakoj varijanti zvuci jako dobro.Ne ocekuj skroz neutralan zvuk , pomalo vuce na Rossetu i u svakom slucaju ad-da je jedan od boljih u toj klasi.

Last edited by sasaristic; 13-05-2013 at 09:15 AM.
sasaristic is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Steinberg UR824 & MR816CSX elmirh Computer Hardware 6 17-12-2013 07:35 PM
Steinberg id controller Ad Fines Computer Hardware 4 26-12-2004 06:37 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.12 by vBS
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
vB.Sponsors