Quested S8 ili Adam p11a?

[HeatMan]

doshlo vreme da Sale udje josh dublje u dugove.. pa, eto.. interesuje me vashe mishljenje..

koji od ova dva para monitora uzeti? moze i neki bolji predlog (ali da je u tom cenovnom rangu) :)

i na jedne i na druge sam davno bacio i uho i grlo i nos, a sad bih da dodam jedne od njih u kolekciju.. naravno, kada bi samo skupljali prashinu, uzeo bih adame.. lepshi su.. :D

al na stranu lepotu i sve to.. zvuk je u pitanju.. zvuk koji ce me pratiti narednih bog-zna-koliko, i raditi mi za sve moguce zanrove muzike (od dnb-a, preko punka, rocka, hc-a, breakbeata i electra, do hip hopa rnb-a i nekih mekshih zvukova - dakle, od najtvrdjeg do najmeksheg) :D koji ce me izvuci malo iz ove bede u koju sam upao.. vidim da mix ne mogu bolje (nije losh, uopshte.. ali znam da mogu bolje i vidim da me moji monitori sputavaju u tome)

btw, inache rezija je 39.2 m3 (ofrlje) sa akustichkim tretmanom, bass trapovima itd.. SPL na oba para mi je ok.. poshto i onako ne slusham (a kamoli mixam) preglasno..

tako da, ajd da chujem dal imate savet koji.. :)



Pozdrav

Sale

[LACKY]

Iskren da budem nisam probao ni jedne od ovuh monitora, te malo prosvrljah da vidim o cemu se radi.
Osnovna stvar je sto ova dva modela nespadaju u istu cenovnu kategoriju, Quested je tacno duplo skuplji od Adama.
Ono sto je osnovno je da Spl neuporedivo u korist Questeda, znaci mnogo glasnija i zivlja kutija.
Postoji tu uvek faktor individualnog dopadanja, ali ako govorimo o izboru izmedju ove dve varijante (koje realno nespadaju u istu kategoriju), ja sam za Qusted.
Kako god da gledali na stvari, nesmemo zaboraviti staro pravilo "koliko para toliko muzike".
Q8 je ipak iz viseg cenovnog ranga.

[dr.Ru]

ja sam imao malo kontakta sa obe kutije. Meni se vise svidja Adam, ali je ovo cisto subjektivni stav. Ipak, Adam ti mozda nece raditi posao, jer nije svestran kao Quested. Tvrdja, brza muzika mi nije za Adama.
Poz

[Rhino]

p11a zvuce dobro. Mozda i previse dobro..
Nemam pojma ljudi, primjecujete li vi da sve ove relativno 'nove' kutije zvuce isuvise 'dobro'?

Daaaleko od toga da su ovo losi zvucnici na kojima se ne moze (ne treba) raditi, naprotiv. Umalo ih i sam kupih.. Ali hocu reci da na njima (i ne samo njima) lose stvari zvuce manje dobro (ne obavezno lose) - dobre stvari zvuce vise dobro, za razliku od tehnologije 'papirnih' membrana, recimo 'starih' ns10tki koje zvuce brutalno strogo, ali i brze umaraju uvo (bar meni)...
Mada opet, treba period privikavanja na bilo koje zvucnike naravno! Mozda i ja sam pravim gresku jer sa p11 nisam proveo dane, vec sate, tj par sati.

Quested nisam nikad cuo, a bogami se ni sreo sa njima osim na slici:)


@Heatman

Kapiram da ti ipak najvise radis hiphop 'related' sound... A on ipak u mnogome zavisi od low end-a kojeg je ipak tesko u potpunosti kontrolisati sa 6-7-8 inch driverima, tako da bih na tvom mjestu razmislio i o nekim vecim monitorima uz tvoje koje vec imas i poznajes. (mada ne znam na cemu trenutno radis)...

Evo padaju mi na pamet JBL 4412a, nisu 'nesto narocito' skupe... 12inch kutije koje fino 'simuliraju' zvuk kluba i low-end im dobro radi. Dakle uopste nisam neki fan jbl zvuka i bio sam skeptican za te kutije ranije nego sam ih cuo.. A i tvoja soba od cca 40m2 bi trebala biti zadovoljavajuce zapremine za njih. Poslusaj ih ako mozes..

[Rhino]

Ehhh, da to sam zaboravio... JBL4412a nisu aktivni zvucnici, ne daj da te ovo (a) zavara... Mada bi trebali i sa pojacalalom da ne budu skuplji od quested-a

[Manley]

probaj Q vh2108 pasivni sa dobrim pojacalom, zvuci fenomenalno

[Moritz]

Quested

[HeatMan]

hmm.. moguce da sam se zeznuo.. al hiljadu i po eura je kinta koju mogu da nabavim... s8 sam chuo da moze da se nabave za ove pare.. poslushacu oba para pa cu videti...

inache, sada imam tapco s8.. i iskreno, imali su mi (onomad) lepshi zvuk od mackie hr824.. mada to sam uzimao pre jedno 4 godine u sky-u, pa nemam pojma..

shto se tiche muzike, nije samo hip hop.. evo, sad mi ulece neki HC bend i treba da im odradim album (pa bih da im odradim kao chovek, sa dobrim monitorima), uskoro radim jedan i dnb/punk (necete verovati) :) album.. i josh jedan bend bi da mi uleti u studio ("domaci pop" - vlado georgijev/cetkovic fazon), a ne mogu da prihvatim rad ako nemam na chemu da im smixam pesme da budu bar slichnog kvaliteta kao shto su im stare (za koje su pucali po 2k eura po pesmi)..

shto se tiche velikih zvuchnika.. nemam pojma.. ne bih se igrao sa time, jer sam se navikao na zvuk 8" drajvera.. i to mi (po pitanju basa) vrlo dobro radi posao.. poshto, nit odvrnem do maximuma (ne volim da se osecam kao da sam u klubu) :) , nit mi smeta preterano taj pad na 40hz.. navikne se choek..

shto se pasivnih monitora tiche... hmm.. nemam pojma.. nisam poklonik istih.. imam svoj neki trip ( i po tom tripu, to ne bi trebalo tako da se radi) :).. tako da nemam ni iskustva ni sa pojachalima ni sa pasivnim monitorima..


poz

[LACKY]

Ako je Quested kod istog trgovca 1500 funti a Adam 750, onda pricamo o razlicitim rangovima.

[Oggy]

Focal solo 6 Be?
Ispod soma i po...

[LACKY]

Dajte ljudi da se vratimo na temu. Nije pitanje sta ko predlaze, nego sta je bolje od ove dve varijante.

[HeatMan]

upravo.. hvala laki! evo sad razmishljam i o p33a.. :) uh uh.. :) moram da poslusham p11ice i s8mice.. pa da vidim shta mi bolje lezzi.. :) samo, pitanje je.. koji manje lazu? siguran sam da imate vishe iskustva od mene...

[HeatMan]

evo sad sam opet po ko zna koji put upao u dilemu.. uhhh... mrzim sebe.. elem, u ponudi mi je i quested VS2108..

dakle, po mnogo nizim cenama (nego shto sam ochekivao) mogu nabaviti p33a ili quested vs2108.. koji je, uzgred, i pasivan.. te cu za njega morati i da ispazarim neko dobro pojachalo.. sad, verujem choveku koji mi je predlozio (ne zelim ga imenovati ovde, poshto se nije ukljuchio do sada) pasivne questede..

sad, problem je shto nisam nikad bio u fazonu pazarenja pasivnih monitora.. jer imam utisak da proizvodjach monitora zna shta je najbolje za iste.. mislim, kad vec dajesh toliko para za par monitora, zashto bi bili shkrti na ampovima? :? mozda i greshim, al nemam pojma..

sa druge strane, teshko mi je da se prelomim.. za adame (radio sam na njima) pa sam stekao utisak da su VEOMA strogi (opet, mozda greshim dushu, al to je moj subjektivni utisak) i doista naporni za rad.. al ako kazu da je losho, onda je losho.. pa napravi push pauzu ako tie teshko.. :) sa druge strane, vidim priche da su spori i muljavi na bass-u.. ja takav utisak nisam stekao, mada nisam radio tvrdju muziku tada (dok sam imao kontakt sa njima)..

bass mi je vazan isto koliko i high end.. zato moram da vas ponizno zamolim da mi pomognete.. :)

dakle, za questede chujem da su veoma brzi i mnogo precizni.. sad, to vazi za sve proizvodjache i recenzatore (wtf!?).. svi ce reci da je neshto ultra dobro.. na p33 sam bacio oko jer imaju mnogo bolji frekventni opseg, iako sumljam da kvalitet moze biti loshiji od onih na kojim sam radio.. samo bolji, realno.. e, sad.. muchi me to pitanje bassa.. ako su zaista toliko muljavi na donjim frekvencijama, onda nisu vredni tih para.. i pre cu uzeti kvestede ako nude istu prokletu mid/high preciznost..

samo imam utisak da ce zavrshiti kod komshije downstairs, posht su teshki u pich.. :)


aj molim vas ko sve grchke i rimske bogove da se ukljuchite u prichu!

pozdrav

Sale


edit: zaboravih ponovo da napomenem da mi je potreban allrounder monitoring sistem.. poshto radim apsolutno sve i svashta.. eto, sad mi upada hc bend, i neki punk band, i reperi i pevachi rnb-a i dosta "komercijalnog srpskog popa" je u planovima da se radi kod mene.. chim raschistim sa ovim pre njih.. tako da, to mi je definitivno najbitnije.. jer nemam para da kupujem monitore za svaki novi projekat.. :)

edit2: zaista se nadam da me niko od vas nece smatrati kao konkurenciju..

poz josh jednom.. :)

[Arthur]

ne mogu ti mnogo pomoci, osim sto mi se cini da si u zabludi sto se tice aktivnih monitora. Da, veoma se skrtare na losa pojacala, uostalom, lako ces proveriti ko skrtari kad uporedis cene istog modela pasivnog i aktivnog. Nekako sam iz iskustva skontao da dobrog postenog pojacala iz dobre kuce i familije nema ispod kila eura, pa sad ti racunaj kakva su ti pojacala (komada 2) u aktivnim zvucnicima od jedva kilo i po eura. Ja sam uvek pre za pasivnu varijantu, ali nemam tolko para pa se lenjim sa Mackie 824.

[Rhino]

Tebra, rokaj samo... Quested/Adam, sve je to ok... Vidi, poslusaj sto tebi vise odgovara, i rokaj... Ako imas svoj sound - imas ga...

Cuo sam adam s3 prije recimo godinu u hr i zvucali su mi mnogo dobro ali to ne mora obavezno da znaci da bi mi mixevi bili toliko bolji koliko su oni 'bolji' od mog monitoring sistema..

Daleko od toga da nipodistavam opremu, ali robujemo joj makar mrvicu vise nego bismo trebali.. Word..

Ne pricamo tu vise o alesis, behringer, low budget varijantama. Nadjes sto ti se svidja i boom! Radish :)

[HeatMan]

heh.. to sam skapirao.. al realno, da li mi vredi uzeti recimo ove questede u pasivnoj varijanti i njih nabosti u pojachalo od 300 eura.. to nikako ne mogu da skapiram, zashto bi to bilo dobro.. zato uvek kazem da se jezim priche "monitori ce ti biti dobri koliko i pojachalo".. pa ako uzmem monitore od soma ipo, i nadjem za 200/300 eura pojachalo, shta sam time dobio? po mom (ne)iskustvu, to moze samo da bude gore od onoga shto je ponudjeno u aktivnoj varijanti..

bar ja tako kapiram.. mada, kao shto rekoh, nemam iskustva sa pasivnim kutijama, tako da je vrlo moguce da laprdam.. :?

btw, imash pozdrave od Dzonija (bubnjara resistera).. ako imash ideju gde bi mogli dobro snimiti bubanj, baci mi pm.. ja sam prvo tebe predlozio, al mi reche da nemash mogucnosti vishe..


pozdrav, i hvala na ukljuchenju.. :)

[Arthur]

pa recimo da pojacalo od 300e vec samo po sebi nije losa stvar, nemam smelosti da kazem mozda i bolja od integrisanih na aktivce. Znam da jedan quad 405 recimo moze da se nadje u tom nekom rangu, a to je vec opako pojacalce. Drugo, za neku godinu mozes da se otvoris za sledece pojacalo, cime dobijas i do 20% razlike u osecaju zvuka (pitaj sve forumase koji su se susreli sa BoZo-el-ovim modelima, kako su reagovali na pasivne BM15 i Yamahe), sto je dosta jednostavnija akcija od promene celih monitora na koje si vec navikao.
Moj neki izbor licno bi isao u tom pravcu BM15 pasivnih i Quad-a dok se jednog dana ne skupi kinta da Brystone i slicne zverke.

[Rhino]

Evo ja licno imam uparenog 405 sa yamahama, i mogu da konstatujem da si u pravu.... Cak nemam ni neku potrebu da ga zamijenim iskreno... Ok, naravno da postoji bolje od boljega, ali iskreno zvuci potpuno ok... Radje bih se bavio akustikom, ili samo jednostavno marljivo radio na ovome na cemu radim nego 'izmisljao' da mi je oprema kriva....


Thatz whut um talkin about:)

[HeatMan]

quad 405 mi je i preporuchen kao super dil za te monitore.. naravno, ja se nikad nisam ni bavio pojachalima za iste, tako da nemam pojma kakvi su.. ali mislim da vec pochinjem da se lomim ka questedu..

@rogonos: shta ti mislish, uvazeni kolega? shta ce mi vishe vrshiti posao?


p.s. Spider studio ako chita ovo, nisam zaboravio da ti se javim.. imam porodichnih problema (zdravlje), pa sam sav razvrdan.. javljam ti se josh koliko danas.. ako i postoji ta rech, u ove sitne sate teshko da mogu da vadim vujakliju iz glave..

pps oprostite na offtopicu, ali na 56k mnogo treba dok se sve spremi da se otchuka pm...


pozdrav svima

edit: buni me sad shto sv2108 ima pad na 18khz.. 3db.. :? al kako to zvuchi? :? imam utisak da bi bio mutan ili slab.. uh uh.. ajte ljudi ukljuchite se..

[spidermusic]

Heatman, ne budi lenj i skokni do mene. Mozes da probas i S8 i P11. Slusaj, uzivaj i proceni sam.

VS 2108 sam cuo. Rade bolje od S8. Sira jasnije i konkretnija zvucna slika, ali i poprilicno skuplji monitor od mladjeg brata iste firme.

[HeatMan]

dogovor je pao, bio sam u guzvi par dana.. vidimo se.. :)

javljam vam svima utiske..

[HeatMan]

utisak:

p11a istaknute visoke i srednje frekvencije.. stvarno lepo sve to zvuchi.. al to bih pre uzeo za neke refentne monitore.. ono.. za proveru mixa.. i kao shto je neko vec rekao.. stvarno, zvuche previshe dobro..

a questedi.. uh uh.. definitivno, moj izbor... sve im je na mestu, bukvalno.. pesme koje su imale chist chist mix su se chule savrsheno na njima, dok je adam bio blago nepodnoshljiv i prshtav..

tako da, odluchih se.. :)

[Manley]

probaj da poslusas vh2108 ako imas negde sa dobrim pojacalom


tek ces da vidis kako je sve na mestu ;)

ja sam imao vh2108 sa hafelrom p3000 i bolje rade nego aktivna verzija za duplo manje para

[HeatMan]

to i nameravam da uzmem..

pozdrav

Sale

[HeatMan]

hahahah.. ali moram ovo da podelim sa vama.. na gearslutzu sam postavio isto pitanje.. i na kraju sam dao veoma detaljan pregled uporednog testa adam p11a i quested s8r monitora.. i hahah.. bash sam ocrnio adame.. mislim, tako je ispalo.. jer su me questedi oduvali.. i na to mi se javio neki lik iz adam audio usa-a na pp.. kao, ochigledno nemash pojma o chemu prichash.. hahah.. kao bezveze si ih ocrnio.. necesh slushati cdove na njima, probaj da smixash pesmu na oba monitora, pa vidi sa kojom cesh lakocom to da uradish i kako ce to zvuchati na ostalim sistemima.. tu ce sigurno pobediti adam..

hahah.. a prosta je stvar: ako ti je mix super na tvojim monitorima, a na ostalim sistemima ima premalo bass-a, znachi da treba da smanjish bass na monitorima ne bi li imao bolji mix.. a ako su ovi na srednjim i visokim prshtavi, mogu samo da zamislim na shta ce mi lichiti finalni proizvod.. (naravno to vec sve znate) i ja to njemu napishem, i nije mi odgovorio.. a tu je.. hahah..

koji car jbt, ne verujem.. znachi, morao sam da podelim ovo sa vama.. ono adamov ambasador na gearslutzu me kontaktirao jer sam im "isprozivao" p11ice.. hahah.. ne bi me chudilo da urigira da se obrishe post.. elem, evo vam kopija tog mog posta..

stvarno, recite mi vi da li sam neshto loshe rekao? :?
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ok, I've been in my friend's studio and:

adam p11a - very tight bottom end, useless (for me) when not mached with a sub, mids and higs are clear as hell.. but, having a close look (when I've played the refference cd's) I've discovered:

they are revealing, BUT they just cover up the not-too-bad mixes, and the good mixes feel just fine on them.. first, I've listened to the "audioslave - show me how to live" track (the mix is good, very good but not the greatest) and the snare was poping right like it should, the guitars were just right.. overall 5pts

on the other side (the s8r), I've noticed some things I didn't till now.. a few times morello (guitars) mutes his strings, and there was no sound of the guitar part at all.. in a few seconds.. ok, I've noticed that, but on my monitors (tapco s8) and on adam's that isn't that noticable (or however you spell it) :) there is a bit of "reverb" of some kind.. not exacly a reverb (I can't really define that), but the sound isnt even close to the quested's.. 5+1pts

second track - audioslave "be yourself track" (the mix is close to brilliant -the sound I'm trying to achieve when mixing rock music).. the playback was, good but a little too harsh for my opinion.. the mids and higs were snaping and popping, and I didn't like that at all.. bass? it was there, but a little bit hidden.. I know, the p33a will cover up the bass freq, but the art tweeter is the same.. the dot on the kick drum was punching me in the eye.. 2pts

the quested s8r? just as it should be.. revealing. precise on the mid's and hig's, and bass was very well reproduced.. 5pts

so, let's go to the third track:

50 cent feat olivia - "candy shop" - dre did a masterpiece with that (and with a bunch of following tracks like "possition of power" and "so amasyng" , that is offcourse, my oppinion.. the sound was good, the kick was tight but there was no freq bellow that (and the p11a was setted up to flat).. the middles and highs were, again a bit to harsh for my taste.. 3pts

again the s8r's won the round, by not being a hi fi emulation, with a stereo picture of great studio monitors.. the kick was tight like ti should be, the sub bass freq was realy neat and the mids and higs were right where they should be.. I could even hear 50 switching his paper sides when rapping..

then we come to kanye west "stronger" single, and "ayo tehnology" performed by 50 justin and timbo (shitty mixes, for my standards..).. the playback was nothing I've expected.. the songs could be ranked as a "good mix".. and this is ADAM's ground.. the highs and mid freq's just didnt sound bad at all.. It was evident that the mix is not a brilliant one, but I couldnt rank em into "poor mixes" when I've listened the songs on p11a's.. so that's when my exscitement about the ART tehnology dropped.. 0pts

the s8r's didnt make up the bad mix.. u could really hear that the mic was great (ayo tech) and that the other isntruments did had to be brought into the picture.. at the "stronger" track, the kicks were dull and awfull (like they are) and u could hear all of the synths played in the song.. 5pts


the next was pendulum and crystal method therapy.. they were good, but when listened to the first crystal method album's songs, they've sounded good.. at pendulum tracks, you couldnt even hear the bass line like it was supposed to be.. it was too punchy and harsh.. yet again, the adam's failed the test.. 0pts

s8r: pendulum - all the freq's were reproduced clearly, and the bass was tight and sawing your brains out.. like a square bass is supposed to sound like.. :? the crystal method's first album tracks (cant remember the names of the songs), RMS is low, bass is too booming, the mix is awful and the sr8's get 5pts.

then I've listened to warren g's "looking at you" a simple but a great mix, and so funk's "love gone wrong" a excelent and crystal clear mix.. the adam's were harsh as a winter on a south pole, and I barely could listen to them.. my ears and head started hurting right on.. 0pts

while on the s8r every sound was crystal clear and just as it should be. it was floating nicely and the mixes sounded great as they are.. the clap on the "love gone rong" track was as crisp as it should be.. 5pts

the last, bud not the least were few of my tracks.. you can listen to them on MySpace.com - Salliery - strip junak - Belgrade, Beograd - Hip Hop - www.myspace.com/lacasanostra (serbian hip hop) and MySpace.com - The Speakerz - - Breakbeat / Electro / Drum & Bass - www.myspace.com/thespeakerz (I'ld call it experimental film electro music for now, 'cause you can't put not one track into only one genre and get away with it)

the sound on adam's was superb.. realy, I've got an erection, while playing back on quested s8r's I had a feeling that I'm really listening the tracks on a real monitoring system.. (yet again) :) the stereo imaging was great, and I was, sincerely, very proud to listen to my tracks on that system..

I know what my tracks look like, since I've listened to them on a numerous monitors (ns10, hr824, some genelec's, the new digidesigns etc etc) and speakers.. (including 2.1 "home theater", car audio system etc etc) so I know what my tracks soud like.. in serbia, they call it "exceptional", but I'ld like to rank them as "pretty good"..

all of the tracks were played back for each monitor pair separatelly, on a resonable SPL level (a quarter of the maximum, and then on a half of a maximum input level), both pairs were set to flat positions..

my opinion: quested deliver a real sound picture to the listener, without any colloring or harshness.. the s8r's are exceptional.. couldn't find another word.. they are brylliant.. a monitoring system that I've was searching for.. the only thing I didn't like, they could get a bit messy in the sub bass levels (bellow 45hz) and that's not a plus.. so, if I could buy the vh2108 for a 1300 euros, and buy a quad405II for 300 euros, and have a real quested sound, with the bass extension, then I'll go for them..

about the adams.. I will almost very likely buy them just to use as a "refference" monitorig system.. them or the ns10's.. anyway, the sound of p11a was very close to the a7's (wich I've heard before) and that is baaaaaad.. so, if I would buy the adam's, I'ld go for the a7's.. and most likely, I will..

any other suggestions? I'm still open for them.. :) untill it's too late.. :)

oh, and one more thing: the stereo imaging is great on both of the systems, but I came to notice that s8r's have a bit larger sweet spot as well as a wider stereo picture..


peace everyone..

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[Rhino]

Hahahah.... Pa i ja da radim za adam bi se usprotivio na konto ove price.:rotfl:

Previshe si ih ocrnio.:wink: 0 points.... Pa opet 0 points. Hehehe.. Izgleda da ti pashe quested zvuk...



A meni je sinoc u sred price s tobom, (nesto sam krenuo da ti pisem o quadu i opet velikim monitorima, neznam ni sam) roknulo napajanje, ploca.... Nadam se da nije rme.. Uf, grrrrr!:mad: Znaci sad treba naci pare za hardver, pa da se peglam sa softverom... Instaliranje svega ponovo.... Uhhh, ne pitaj......

Znaci neki period nista od muzike.... Bavicu se alatkom zvanom kompujter, uzas.

[Manley]

ma ko ga J. ;) tek kada budes mixao ne njima videces koliko je quested bolji ;)

hahahah.. ali moram ovo da podelim sa vama.. na gearslutzu sam postavio isto pitanje.. i na kraju sam dao veoma detaljan pregled uporednog testa adam p11a i quested s8r monitora.. i hahah.. bash sam ocrnio adame.. mislim, tako je ispalo.. jer su me questedi oduvali.. i na to mi se javio neki lik iz adam audio usa-a na pp.. kao, ochigledno nemash pojma o chemu prichash.. hahah.. kao bezveze si ih ocrnio.. necesh slushati cdove na njima, probaj da smixash pesmu na oba monitora, pa vidi sa kojom cesh lakocom to da uradish i kako ce to zvuchati na ostalim sistemima.. tu ce sigurno pobediti adam..

hahah.. a prosta je stvar: ako ti je mix super na tvojim monitorima, a na ostalim sistemima ima premalo bass-a, znachi da treba da smanjish bass na monitorima ne bi li imao bolji mix.. a ako su ovi na srednjim i visokim prshtavi, mogu samo da zamislim na shta ce mi lichiti finalni proizvod.. (naravno to vec sve znate) i ja to njemu napishem, i nije mi odgovorio.. a tu je.. hahah..

koji car jbt, ne verujem.. znachi, morao sam da podelim ovo sa vama.. ono adamov ambasador na gearslutzu me kontaktirao jer sam im "isprozivao" p11ice.. hahah.. ne bi me chudilo da urigira da se obrishe post.. elem, evo vam kopija tog mog posta..

stvarno, recite mi vi da li sam neshto loshe rekao? :?
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ok, I've been in my friend's studio and:

adam p11a - very tight bottom end, useless (for me) when not mached with a sub, mids and higs are clear as hell.. but, having a close look (when I've played the refference cd's) I've discovered:

they are revealing, BUT they just cover up the not-too-bad mixes, and the good mixes feel just fine on them.. first, I've listened to the "audioslave - show me how to live" track (the mix is good, very good but not the greatest) and the snare was poping right like it should, the guitars were just right.. overall 5pts

on the other side (the s8r), I've noticed some things I didn't till now.. a few times morello (guitars) mutes his strings, and there was no sound of the guitar part at all.. in a few seconds.. ok, I've noticed that, but on my monitors (tapco s8) and on adam's that isn't that noticable (or however you spell it) :) there is a bit of "reverb" of some kind.. not exacly a reverb (I can't really define that), but the sound isnt even close to the quested's.. 5+1pts

second track - audioslave "be yourself track" (the mix is close to brilliant -the sound I'm trying to achieve when mixing rock music).. the playback was, good but a little too harsh for my opinion.. the mids and higs were snaping and popping, and I didn't like that at all.. bass? it was there, but a little bit hidden.. I know, the p33a will cover up the bass freq, but the art tweeter is the same.. the dot on the kick drum was punching me in the eye.. 2pts

the quested s8r? just as it should be.. revealing. precise on the mid's and hig's, and bass was very well reproduced.. 5pts

so, let's go to the third track:

50 cent feat olivia - "candy shop" - dre did a masterpiece with that (and with a bunch of following tracks like "possition of power" and "so amasyng" , that is offcourse, my oppinion.. the sound was good, the kick was tight but there was no freq bellow that (and the p11a was setted up to flat).. the middles and highs were, again a bit to harsh for my taste.. 3pts

again the s8r's won the round, by not being a hi fi emulation, with a stereo picture of great studio monitors.. the kick was tight like ti should be, the sub bass freq was realy neat and the mids and higs were right where they should be.. I could even hear 50 switching his paper sides when rapping..

then we come to kanye west "stronger" single, and "ayo tehnology" performed by 50 justin and timbo (shitty mixes, for my standards..).. the playback was nothing I've expected.. the songs could be ranked as a "good mix".. and this is ADAM's ground.. the highs and mid freq's just didnt sound bad at all.. It was evident that the mix is not a brilliant one, but I couldnt rank em into "poor mixes" when I've listened the songs on p11a's.. so that's when my exscitement about the ART tehnology dropped.. 0pts

the s8r's didnt make up the bad mix.. u could really hear that the mic was great (ayo tech) and that the other isntruments did had to be brought into the picture.. at the "stronger" track, the kicks were dull and awfull (like they are) and u could hear all of the synths played in the song.. 5pts


the next was pendulum and crystal method therapy.. they were good, but when listened to the first crystal method album's songs, they've sounded good.. at pendulum tracks, you couldnt even hear the bass line like it was supposed to be.. it was too punchy and harsh.. yet again, the adam's failed the test.. 0pts

s8r: pendulum - all the freq's were reproduced clearly, and the bass was tight and sawing your brains out.. like a square bass is supposed to sound like.. :? the crystal method's first album tracks (cant remember the names of the songs), RMS is low, bass is too booming, the mix is awful and the sr8's get 5pts.

then I've listened to warren g's "looking at you" a simple but a great mix, and so funk's "love gone wrong" a excelent and crystal clear mix.. the adam's were harsh as a winter on a south pole, and I barely could listen to them.. my ears and head started hurting right on.. 0pts

while on the s8r every sound was crystal clear and just as it should be. it was floating nicely and the mixes sounded great as they are.. the clap on the "love gone rong" track was as crisp as it should be.. 5pts

the last, bud not the least were few of my tracks.. you can listen to them on MySpace.com - Salliery - strip junak - Belgrade, Beograd - Hip Hop - www.myspace.com/lacasanostra (serbian hip hop) and MySpace.com - The Speakerz - - Breakbeat / Electro / Drum & Bass - www.myspace.com/thespeakerz (I'ld call it experimental film electro music for now, 'cause you can't put not one track into only one genre and get away with it)

the sound on adam's was superb.. realy, I've got an erection, while playing back on quested s8r's I had a feeling that I'm really listening the tracks on a real monitoring system.. (yet again) :) the stereo imaging was great, and I was, sincerely, very proud to listen to my tracks on that system..

I know what my tracks look like, since I've listened to them on a numerous monitors (ns10, hr824, some genelec's, the new digidesigns etc etc) and speakers.. (including 2.1 "home theater", car audio system etc etc) so I know what my tracks soud like.. in serbia, they call it "exceptional", but I'ld like to rank them as "pretty good"..

all of the tracks were played back for each monitor pair separatelly, on a resonable SPL level (a quarter of the maximum, and then on a half of a maximum input level), both pairs were set to flat positions..

my opinion: quested deliver a real sound picture to the listener, without any colloring or harshness.. the s8r's are exceptional.. couldn't find another word.. they are brylliant.. a monitoring system that I've was searching for.. the only thing I didn't like, they could get a bit messy in the sub bass levels (bellow 45hz) and that's not a plus.. so, if I could buy the vh2108 for a 1300 euros, and buy a quad405II for 300 euros, and have a real quested sound, with the bass extension, then I'll go for them..

about the adams.. I will almost very likely buy them just to use as a "refference" monitorig system.. them or the ns10's.. anyway, the sound of p11a was very close to the a7's (wich I've heard before) and that is baaaaaad.. so, if I would buy the adam's, I'ld go for the a7's.. and most likely, I will..

any other suggestions? I'm still open for them.. :) untill it's too late.. :)

oh, and one more thing: the stereo imaging is great on both of the systems, but I came to notice that s8r's have a bit larger sweet spot as well as a wider stereo picture..


peace everyone..

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[spidermusic]

Heathman, drago mi je da ti je slusni test koji si kod mene obavio bio od koristi. Monitori su stvar ukusa i zato je najbolje kada se oni mogu probati.

Ako se odlucis za VH2108 neces nimalo pogresiti. Sudeci po VS2108 koje sam cuo smatram da su VH2108 sa adekvatnim pojacalom pravi izbor. Kada i ako ih nabavis, rado cu doci da ih cujem.

Pozz!

[Arthur]

@rhino :D:D:D ako ti je rikno RME, javi se, imam jednog 9632 na prodaju. Cijena - prava sitnica ! :P

[Max]

@ Heatman ....... daj link da vidim sta su ti odgovorili .....


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[HeatMan]

nemam link za taj odgovor.. lik mi je poslao pm.. sad cu da vidim dal mi je josh neshto odgovorio.. :)

sad cu da vidim da iskopiram pp..

btw, hvala svima na pomoci.. p.s. vlado, naravno da si pozvan da ih chujesh.. hvala ti puno!

[HeatMan]

eve ga:
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quote HeatMan:
any other suggestions? I'm still open for them.. :) untill it's too late.. :)

I just don't know if you have any idea about what are you talking about..

so, I have one...

You're not going to be listening to CDs on them - you're going to be mixing on them, yes?

Do a mix on both sets of speakers and see how easily you can mix on them, and ow well the mixes translate. That will probably tell you more than listening to CDs.

dB
ADAM Audio USA

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moj odgovor:

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I really didn't want to shit on p11a's.. but the results were drastic.. I know that I cant compare the finished products with the in-the-mix ones.. but, if I hear that p11 are harsh, then they are.. and shurely, they are good monitors.. but they add too much mids and higs..

it's like this (it's 5am at belgrade, and I'm tired as hell so try to understand me):

If you have a good mix on your monitors, and when you listen to it on a bunch of hifi speakers and you see that there is no bass there, you obviously have a problem.. probably with the acoustics of the room.. if the monitors arent for junk.. and then you go to your studio and set up the monitors to reproduce less bass.. you cut the frequencies.. and then, you mix it all over again..

so if the "perfect" mix on them sounds harsh and too crunchy, you dont want to be the main monitors in your set up.. they are great as a reference monitors, but for main.. the quested blew me away..

I cant mix there, 'cause the friend who has them cant fit me into his plans.. neither can I.. I have to much work of my own..

I really dont want to be misunderstood.. or to be a "bad ad" for you guys.. I've just posted my conclusions..

anyway, thanks for the suggestion.. I dont know now if you are defending your buissnes (wich is, totally ok for me) or recomending me the p33a's over vh2108's..

Sale (that's my name, short for Aleksander) :D


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evo sad mi je i odgovorio:

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Originally Posted by HeatMan
thanks for the suggestion.. I dont know now if you are defending your buissnes (wich is, totally ok for me) or recomending me the p33a's over vh2108's..

ADAM isn't my business - I'm just the US distributor...and if I was trying to defend it, I'd have posted, not PM'd.

ADAMs are mixing tools...that's really where they shine...that's why I suggested you mix on them. There are plenty of speakers that sound good when you play back CDs that aren't great to mix on. For my ear, Genelecs are a very good example - they sound great on playback, but I have difficulty mixing on them...but there are plenty of people who have no problem at all mixing on Gens.

Bottom line - monitors are a very personal choice...no such thing as right or wrong. By the time you get to the top end of the spectrum, they're all pretty good. If your ear preferred the Questeds, that's definitely what you should get.

dB
ADAM Audio USA

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i poslednji post razjashnjava sve..


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Sale

[HeatMan]

Hahahah.... Pa i ja da radim za adam bi se usprotivio na konto ove price.:rotfl:

Previshe si ih ocrnio.:wink: 0 points.... Pa opet 0 points. Hehehe.. Izgleda da ti pashe quested zvuk...



A meni je sinoc u sred price s tobom, (nesto sam krenuo da ti pisem o quadu i opet velikim monitorima, neznam ni sam) roknulo napajanje, ploca.... Nadam se da nije rme.. Uf, grrrrr!:mad: Znaci sad treba naci pare za hardver, pa da se peglam sa softverom... Instaliranje svega ponovo.... Uhhh, ne pitaj......

Znaci neki period nista od muzike.... Bavicu se alatkom zvanom kompujter, uzas.

hahah.. pa nisam ih namerno ocrnio, to sam i rekao liku.. samo mi je quested zvuchao mnogo mnogo bolje (za glavne monitore).. jbg..

a shta si mislio za quad? btw, nemoj koristiti glavni komp i za net.. vidish shta sve moze da se desi.. :) ja sam ga ranije i koristio za igrice (poshto je to uvek bio najjachi u kuci, a i posle napornog dana u josh napornijem okruzenju morash sebi dati odushka i ubijati kineze ili zlocheste ruse) ali na drugom sistemu.. sve jedno je umelo neshto da se sjebucne i onda ne znam shta da radim.. prvo shto moze da se desi je da rikne disk.. bar u mom sluchaju.. menjao sam diskova vishe nego bilo ko koga poznajem.. dobro je da sam malo pribraniji pa ne menjam tastature i misheve kao ranije.. :)

[sRce]

Koje su cene za ADAM i Quested ??

[HeatMan]

pa pishe ti u onom dugachkom postu.. i nisi rekao na koje modele mislish

[Rhino]

@rhino :D:D:D ako ti je rikno RME, javi se, imam jednog 9632 na prodaju. Cijena - prava sitnica ! :P


Jezik pregrizao!:D

Ostao je 9632 ziv..:)

[Rhino]

hahah.. pa nisam ih namerno ocrnio, to sam i rekao liku.. samo mi je quested zvuchao mnogo mnogo bolje (za glavne monitore).. jbg..

a shta si mislio za quad? btw, nemoj koristiti glavni komp i za net.. vidish shta sve moze da se desi.. :) ja sam ga ranije i koristio za igrice (poshto je to uvek bio najjachi u kuci, a i posle napornog dana u josh napornijem okruzenju morash sebi dati odushka i ubijati kineze ili zlocheste ruse) ali na drugom sistemu.. sve jedno je umelo neshto da se sjebucne i onda ne znam shta da radim.. prvo shto moze da se desi je da rikne disk.. bar u mom sluchaju.. menjao sam diskova vishe nego bilo ko koga poznajem.. dobro je da sam malo pribraniji pa ne menjam tastature i misheve kao ranije.. :)



Nemam pojma sto sam mislio da kazem za quad, ne sjecam se...

A napanje bi riknulo svejedno valjda,:( nema to veze sa netom...

[HeatMan]

ma naravno.. al shto ga vishe koristish to je blizi smrti.. :)

[Rhino]

Ehhh, koliko mu treba da radi dok ne umre i procesor i ploca ti postanu dinosauri.:) Tako je bilo i kod mene... Nego ga uvjek drzim do 'zadnje ure' sto zbog finansija, sto zbog instalacije svega ponovo....
To dozivljavam kao svojevrsnu kaznu inace..:D


Nego da se vratimo na temu.....
Znaci definitivno si se odlucio za pasivne questede?

[HeatMan]

definitivno.. kazem ti, oduvali su me.. ali oduvali.. tachno ono shto sam trazio vec duze vreme.. imam srece i da mogu da si priJushtim.. na mishice, do dushe.. al ajd kao.. vratice se kinta.. :)

edit: evo sad slusham ove moje (tapco s8 - vidi u avataru) i ne radi mi se vishe.. mrzi me da mixam na njima.. razmazio sam se.. :?

[Rhino]

Jos malo ce novi avatar, bez nervoze odma:) :)

[HeatMan]

vidim i ja.. hehe.. aj javi se dole na mojoj temi u "promocija radova" sekciji.. zivo me interesuje da li ti se svidja mix pesme sa ovim monitorima..


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[filip]

interesanto je jer sam ja isto hteo p11a,

da skratim pricu, kupio sam vs2108 :) i nemam sta da kazem :shock: ...

meni savrsenstvo! Svi koji su ih do sada culi su zaista ostali bez daha:shock: .

poz,
filip

[Rhino]

@Heatman

Bih ja ali s obzirom da mi je roknuo komp ne znam da li bih bio mjerodavan kriticar slusajuci na 2 geniusa sa ovog drugog pc-a....

Evo valjda danas skrpim nesto od druga da proradi ovaj moj umrli nekako pa javljam...

Nameracio sam ovaj rudaw pro, al treba skupit jos koju stotku za to...

[Rhino]

@Filip

Nagovori Heatmana da 'odradi' neku radnju u hood-u i tako doda kintu za 215DMT:D


Salim se naravno.... Na konto moje price s heatom-a sa pocetka ovog thread-a o low endu:) :)

Edit: Ali to su stvarno zvucnici koje bih ja volio da imam kad bih imao kinte za njih.... A i doosta vecu sobu naravno :]

[HeatMan]

e, pa sad.. voleo bih ja da sam kupio xxl studio.. :) svako mora da se potrudi da izvuche max iz onoga shto ima jbg..

@filip: verujem ti.. kad su me odushevile s8mice, a svi kazu da su 2108 dve klase iznad, znam da cu dobiti asmatichni napad kad ih chujem..

[lesha]

btw. ima li ko S7R ?

[dragutinos]

Quested su ne sumnjivo dobri monitori, ali ne znam odakle ideja porediti Quested S8 i Adam p11a. Da si rekao S2A pa da razumem. Ova dva monitora nisu ista klasa sto im i cena svakako potvrdjuje.

[HeatMan]

to mi je jedino bilo pri ruci.. a razmishljao sam o p33a.. al bitan mi je bio tviter.. a on se jako loshe poneo na testovima..

[spidermusic]

btw. ima li ko S7R ?

Mislis li na Quested S7?

[spidermusic]

Quested su ne sumnjivo dobri monitori, ali ne znam odakle ideja porediti Quested S8 i Adam p11a. Da si rekao S2A pa da razumem. Ova dva monitora nisu ista klasa sto im i cena svakako potvrdjuje.

Zapravo je trebalo porediti Quested S8 i Adam P22A, a Quested VS2108 i Adam S2A. Quested-ova S-serija odgovara Adam-ovoj P-seriji.

Primedba je na mestu, ali nije bilo mogucnosti da se isprobaju adekvatni monitori oba proizvodjaca.

[lesha]

Mislis li na Quested S7?

mislim na ove (http://www.quested.com/s7r.html)

[spidermusic]

mislim na ove (http://www.quested.com/s7r.html)

Bas te ima jedan kolega sa foruma. Nas dvojca smo zajedno kupili monitore, on S7, a ja S8. Imao sam i njih prilike da cujem u ne bas idealnim uslovima, ali, i pored toga, se pokazalo da imaju nesto tanji bas, slabiju definicija srednjih i uzu zvucnu slika. Vokali su zvucali jasno i dobro definisano. Bilo kako bilo, i to je dobar monitor, koji je na uporednom testu solidno parirao Q VS2108, ali ne toliko kao S8.:wink:

[HeatMan]

shto se tiche poredjenja s8mica sa p11ticama, jeste na mestu.. ali realno, slushao sam definiciju bassa, srednjih i visokih.. i adam je tu puko glavom o zemlju..

i shto kaze kolega spider, s8 je trebalo porediti sa p22.. ali ako mogucnosti ne postoje, morash proceniti koliko ce taj dodatni "bass reflex" na p22kama pomoci.. u sv sl, lomio sam se izmedju p33ki i vh2108.. i poshto je adam pao na skoro svim testovima (zahvaljujuci uglavnom njegovoj art tehnologiji reprodukcije visokih, koja je inache ista u svim monitorima u p serijama) shvatio sam shta mi je potrebno..

shto se tiche s7mica, verujem da su dobri monitori.. btw, vlado, ja mislim da su i ovi tvoji s8r.. to su izbacili ponovo s serije sa malo promenjenim dizajnom.. koliko sam ja skapirao sa neta..


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