Steinberg UR824 - misljenja?

[sasaristic]

Originally Posted by Arthur

da li pri?amo o normalnom TRS linijskom ulazu? meni je de?ko koji se tako?e bavi samogradnjom audiotehnike i koje?ega jo? pohvalio UR22, i prvo ?to sam ga pitao je upravo to - mogu li vezati spoljni preamp na line in, decidno mi je rekao da samo XLR ide na preamp a line input na line gain i line amp.
Svakako se kunu ljudi da ima dosta ozbiljan zvuk, navodno bolji od ff800

Ne ...u tome je i ceo haos sa tom karticom.Trs mu samo dodje kao serijski vezan xlr , verovatno sa bypasovanim phantomom.
Imao sam je na testu nekoliko dana pre par godina , i zvuk je zaista recimo blizi rosseti nego li srednjoj klasi slicnih kartica (RMI i sl.)
AD je blago overhajpovan , verovatno zato sto je konstantno u gainu , i isti sklop sluzi kao linijski i mic pojacivac.Nisam siguran , ali mislim da je ceo ulazni sklop diskretan sto verovatno utice na pozitivni sonicni utisak.
Ali je sve ostalo jako cudnovato , jedini blok koji ne ide kroz preampe je zapravo insert , koji je nebalansiran.
U svakom slucaju definitivno nema bypasa preampa , i bez velikog filozofiranja(bilo je kilometarskih thredova na Gearslutz-u) , to je veliki minus.Jednostavno uvek si u najmanje +10 db njegovog pojacanja , sto je blago receno glupo , jer sustinski prolazis kroz nepotreban gain stageing .Ako ces da bodes direktno micove u njega i da radis recimo tracking bubnja ....tu sija za male pare.Za slanje i vracanje signala , tracking sa externim preampovima, tu je jednostavno hendikepiran.Zasto su to tako izveli i zasto problem koji je spotovan od korisnika milion puta nije resen u novoj verziji kartice....to mi stvarno nije jasno.

[sasaristic]

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Originally Posted by Pschelfh View Post
Just ordered a MR816X and I have been reading the manual in the meantime. Is it true that the master volume knob controls the volume of ALL outputs?? On eg. a Firebox, the main volume knob only controls the volume to the monitors.

Since I will be using it with monitors connected to outputs 1/2 and external comp/eq/fx connected to the other outputs, this seems to be very awkward.

Can someone who uses the MR816 with external fx, confirm this? I did read something in the manual (p.23) about going to 'Devices' -> 'Audio Hardware Setup'. There you have 2 tabs : 'Master Levels' (can you define the outputs that are controlled by the main volume knob?) and 'Settings 1' (last line : Master Level Meter). Can someone shed a light on these please?

Thanks,
Peter.

PS : just to be safe I've also ordered a TC Level Pilot!
A firmware rev resolved this i believe (huge complaint threads on cubase.net forum). With MR editor, you can now choose if it does or not.

[sasaristic]

Ovo je sa Gearslutza....navodno su problem sa linkovanim svim izlazima i master knobom resili novim updateom firmware-a.Koliko je to problematicno i kretenski mislim da ne vredi ni pominjati.Hoces da saljes signal u externi fx , a on ti dozvoljava tacno onoliko gaina koliko ti je na CR izlazu???!!!! Ludilo

[Arthur]

hm, al ovi pominju MR816 a mi pričamo o UR824? Jesi se zabunio ili je to ista karta sa drugom oznakom?

[Arthur]

824 nema inserte...

[Sky Net]

Ja sam pitao za UR824, ne za MR816 X. A za MR-ove preampe, nasao sam ovo:
''For those who worry about the lines not being bypassed by the pre's... just crank down the gain and pad it, and they are completely and dead quiet. Dont be paranoid''

[sasaristic]

I jedna i druga dele istu arhitekturu i iste probleme.
Price sa Gearslutza o spustenom gainu i kao to je to , su totalno bezvezne.
Npr , izadjes externo u tube eq ili kompresor , sum kod boljih je na ?85 db,kada se vracas u karticu , automatski dodajes jos najmanje 10db ,sto znaci da najmanje toliko moras da smanjis na izlazu iz DA u spravu da bi izbegao clliping AD, sto u realnosti znaci da si digao sum za najmanje 10 do 15db.Stavise pricam po secanju , a cini mi se da su brojke jos gore.
Baci pogled na signal to noise na Inputu , ako ga uopste prikazuju negde...manual ili slicno.

Originally Posted by Arthur

hm, al ovi pominju MR816 a mi pri?amo o UR824? Jesi se zabunio ili je to ista karta sa drugom oznakom?

[sasaristic]

Kao sto rekoh.....brojke su mnogo gore...evo isecka iz SOS a koji uglavnom ulepsava do bolaIn Use


The dspMixFx utility is used to control the UR824 when not being used with Cubase.

The first time I*used the UR824, I*did so with an external preamp feeding the line inputs, and was surprised to find that even a*conservative signal from the preamp was clipping them. A*quick delve into the manual revealed that the line inputs are routed through the preamps, and the range of the gain pots spans +16 to +60dB. In other words, the preamp is always boosting any input by at least 16dB, so it's hardly surprising that a*typical line-level input will clip! Thankfully, Steinberg have provided input pads, switchable individually for the first two channels and in pairs for the other six analogue inputs, which attenuate the input signal by 26dB, so the effective gain range is -10 to +60dB, but there's no easy way of setting a*unity gain level. Some manufacturers manage to implement 'proper' line inputs that don't go through the preamps, so this arrangement is perhaps slightly disappointing, but in practice you're unlikely to notice any audible degradation of line-level signals by simply keeping the gain at minimum, engaging the pad and compensating for the lost 10dB in software. On the plus side, I*was pleased to see that there are separate +48V phantom power switches for each input pair, rather than a*single global switch.

Possibly due to a*misunderstanding of Steinberg's stated specifications, a*myth has circulated that the MR816's preamps offered a*humungous 84dB gain; this figure was widely quoted (including in SOS's own review) but actually referred to the total system gain from mic input to line output rather than that of the preamp per se.

[elmirh]

I ja sam cuo sve pohvale o kartici, jos prije kupovine i odluke da kupim UR 824.
Kolega mi ima RME ff 800 i radili smo na toj kartici.Ja bi prednost dao Steinberg UR 824.

[Arthur]

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