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Old 08-06-2014, 04:45 PM   #1
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Stari channelstrim sam sa audiointerfaceom povezivao preko optickog i tu nije bilo problema.
Novi zelim da povezem preko analognog, medjutim javlja mi se jedan problem-
Kada na audio interface-u channelstrip ide u line in, signal mi je veoma slab,a ako ide u mic in onda je veoma jak...U oba slucaja je gain na tom kanalu na kartici na nuli.
Pretpostavljam na gain na kartici i treba da bude na nuli, jer channelstrip ima svoj gain..
Logicno je da se na kartici koristi line in, jer se signal ne treba pojacavati na kartici jer je vec prethodno pojacan, medjutim kako rekoh veoma je tih ulazni signal, u odnosu na prethodni preamp koji sam imao i koji je isao preko optickog.


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Kada iz channelstripa out ide u line in u interface, koliko god da pojacam na channelstripu mic gain ili output, ne baca pikove ni na kartici ni u cubaseu, ali se cuje na snimku distorzija...
jedna stvar mi nije jasna..pi?e Nemania pro member,a postavlja ovakva pitanja...hmmm
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Old 08-06-2014, 05:17 PM   #2
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jedna stvar mi nije jasna..pi?e Nemania pro member,a postavlja ovakva pitanja...hmmm

Sta ti nije jasno??? Anaogno mic gainu na preampu sam usporedio gain na interface-u?
i kao sto rekoh do sada sam koristio digitalne i/o..
nisi ni procitao celi thread..ali nije ni vazno...mislim da provociras, ali zaista nema potrebe, da nebi moderatori reagovali i bude bio lock teme, ne treba nam off topic
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Ali zašto ti je na channelstripu onaj prekidač postavljen na -10db?? To ti samo znači da on šalje tiši signal. U dosta slučajeva ti pošalje nebalansirani signal van (izbaci pin3 na xlr-u) i tako usput stiša signal.
To ti treba biti na 0db ako spajaš balansirani izlaz iz njega ubalansirani ulaz slijedeće sprave. A Focusrite ima balansirane line in ulaze...
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Old 09-06-2014, 08:23 AM   #4
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Ali za?to ti je na channelstripu onaj prekidač postavljen na -10db?? To ti samo znači da on ?alje ti?i signal.
Taj prekidač samo smanjuje osetljivost VU-metra, ne utiče na signal.

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Taj prekidač samo smanjuje osetljivost VU-metra, ne utiče na signal.

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Old 09-06-2014, 10:47 AM   #6
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Kako pretpojacalo nema biranje izlaznog nivoa, losija je varijanta dodavati na njemu gain da bi se dostigao nivo potreban line ulazu kartice, narocito sto cujno ulazi u domen izoblicenja.
Prebaciti izlaz predpojacala na mic ulaz kartice.
U tom slucaju, bolje je smanjiti jacinu izlaza iz predpojacala da ne preoptereti mikrofonski ulaz koji je mnogo osetljiviji nego sto treba - probati dobiti regularni nivo signala sa minimalnim gainom na kartici... malo podesavanja i rezultat bi trebao biti ok.

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Kako pretpojacalo nema biranje izlaznog nivoa, losija je varijanta dodavati na njemu gain da bi se dostigao nivo potreban line ulazu kartice, narocito sto cujno ulazi u domen izoblicenja.
Prebaciti izlaz predpojacala na mic ulaz kartice.
U tom slucaju, bolje je smanjiti jacinu izlaza iz predpojacala da ne preoptereti mikrofonski ulaz koji je mnogo osetljiviji nego sto treba - probati dobiti regularni nivo signala sa minimalnim gainom na kartici... malo podesavanja i rezultat bi trebao biti ok.
Oh, pobogu, za?to? Pa svako mikrofonsko pojačanje je u startu jo? veće od linijskog! Uostalom, evo i konkretnih podataka o MIC/LINE ulazima na Focusriteu:
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Microphone Inputs 3-8:
Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.1 dB
Gain Range: +13dB to +60dB
THD+N: 0.001% (measured at 1kHz with a 20Hz/22kHz bandpass filter)
Noise: EIN: 128dB analogue to digital (measured at 60dB of gain with 150 Ohm termination (20Hz/22kHz bandpass filter)
Input Impedance: 2k ohm

Line Inputs (Inputs 1-8):

Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.1dB
Gain Range: -10dB to +36dB
THD+N: < 0.001% (measured with 0dBFS input and 22Hz/22kHz bandpass filter)
Noise: -90dBu (22Hz/22kHz bandpass filter)
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Old 09-06-2014, 11:37 AM   #8
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Oh, pobogu, za?to? Pa svako mikrofonsko poja?anje je u startu jo? ve?e od linijskog! Uostalom, evo i konkretnih podataka o MIC/LINE ulazima na Focusriteu:
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Microphone Inputs 3-8:
Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.1 dB
Gain Range: +13dB to +60dB
THD+N: 0.001% (measured at 1kHz with a 20Hz/22kHz bandpass filter)
Noise: EIN: 128dB analogue to digital (measured at 60dB of gain with 150 Ohm termination (20Hz/22kHz bandpass filter)
Input Impedance: 2k ohm

Line Inputs (Inputs 1-8):

Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.1dB
Gain Range: -10dB to +36dB
THD+N: < 0.001% (measured with 0dBFS input and 22Hz/22kHz bandpass filter)
Noise: -90dBu (22Hz/22kHz bandpass filter)
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Ok Vaso, vidi se da se predpojacanja (kartice) u jednom domenu poklapaju.
Nije mi onda jasno gde je problem?
u tom slucaju, pojacati gain na kartici do upotrebljivog nivoa i to je to. Pritom drzati predpojacalo u njegovom srednjem domenu, tj oko 0 db na izlazu.
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