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Old 18-07-2006, 07:15 PM   #1
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Default Re: Hi Pass - poredjenje EQ-a

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Sta je fora? Hi-pass, a delimicno pusta i low deo?
Koji Q tj. width tj. Slope tj. ... ? Sutni sve na 24db pa onda prikazi slike.
Na mnogim EQ-ima, cak i na onim jako ozbiljnim, hi pass nema podesavanja...
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Old 18-07-2006, 07:25 PM   #2
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Karakteristike su vam malo "grbave", posto ste ih verovatno "merili" sa white noise... u prirodi nisu takve, ahm... barem ih je (filtre) malo teze napraviti tako grbavim...

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Old 18-07-2006, 07:29 PM   #3
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Karakteristike su vam malo "grbave", posto ste ih verovatno "merili" sa white noise... u prirodi nisu takve, ahm... barem ih je (filtre) malo teze napraviti tako grbavim...

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Jeste withe noise... pise u prvom postu...
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Old 18-07-2006, 07:36 PM   #4
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Jeste withe noise... pise u prvom postu...

Ziva istina! Nisam procitao sta pise, nego sam gledao slike... izvin'te!

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Old 18-07-2006, 08:23 PM   #5
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Na mnogim EQ-ima, cak i na onim jako ozbiljnim, hi pass nema podesavanja...
Ok, moj trenutni domet su samo s/w EQ-s.

Probaj Sony Paragraphic EQ. "Enable Low-shelf" bi trebao da bude hi-pass. Nema sanse da skines vise od 20db-a. Fuck it, zasto se onda zove hi-pass kad propusta toliko low end-a. To ce opet, taj low end, da se negde sabere, jbg. Time sam pre neki dan pokusao neki sempl snare da ocistim i ... .

I onda postavljam pitanje cime? tj. kako?
Ne 60db, vec 100db-a, 120db-a, ~, jer ne zelim nista tu (u tom opsegu).
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Old 18-07-2006, 08:52 PM   #6
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Ok, moj trenutni domet su samo s/w EQ-s.
.......
I onda postavljam pitanje cime? tj. kako?
Ne 60db, vec 100db-a, 120db-a, ~, jer ne zelim nista tu (u tom opsegu).
Eh... to je onda skoro brickwall filter... slabo se to pojavljuje u spravama... jer se ocekuje da nemas bas toliko subova u snimku ili semplu...
A mislim da bas ne zvuci sjajno...
Brickwall filter (ali low-pass) se koristi u AD konvertorima kada rade u modu 44.1kHz i tada je on podesen na 22.05KHz, to je po standardu, i da toga nema CD bi zvucao jos gore nego sto zvuci, jer bi se sve visokofrekventne smetnje iz signala koji konvertujemo (a koje inace ne cujemo), translirale u cujni opseg zbog pojave aliasinga.

Obican hi pass (iz nase price) sa slope od 24db/oct na 300Hz ti spusta (kako i pise) na 150Hz nivo za 24dB, na 75Hz - 48dB a na 37.5Hz - 72dB... i ne moze bolje od toga teoretski... inace nije 24dB/oct.

Ako ovo sto sam napisao nije slucaj, onda imas problem sa filtrom, odnosno ne valja filter. Kod s/w filtera je znacajno kako je implementiran i koliko je precizna matematika tog filtra, posto su ostaci koji se ne uklapaju u teoriju cesto posledica toga. Te ono sto je kod h/w filtra sum, ili los dizajn,... ovde je matematika i rezolucija.

Ako zelis da ipak "pobijes" sto vise ispod 300Hz (ili bilo koja druga frekvencija) sa high pass filtrom , probaj kaskadnu vezu vise filtarskih modula, i time povecanje reda filtra... mada budi pazljiv i proveravaj da li ima premasenja u karakteristici... posto moraju da se sloze i q faktori filtera da ne bi imao peaking u karakteristici...
Ili nadji neki brickwall filter u FIR tehnologiji... itd...
Cak i pored svega ovoga, kada sve ovo uradis, i ostane ti ravan "ostatak" u reject opsegu, njegov nivo (ostatka) ti pokazuje koliko je cela procedura softverski precizna i uspesna... jer teoretski treba da ima konstantan slope.

Generalno za ono sto tebi treba kljucna rec je brick-wall.


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Old 18-07-2006, 08:56 PM   #7
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Ok, moj trenutni domet su samo s/w EQ-s.

Probaj Sony Paragraphic EQ. "Enable Low-shelf" bi trebao da bude hi-pass. Nema sanse da skines vise od 20db-a. ....
Ako se zove low-shelf, onda je to shelving filter a ne high pass. i to sto ti spusta "samo" za 20dB je ok. Konstrukcijski je drugaciji od high pass.

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Old 18-07-2006, 09:18 PM   #8
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Probao sam ga i ja .... pise Hi pass ..... ali se ponasha kao low shelf ..... vrlo lose ..... najprecizniji je Algorythmics orange .... od svih koji sam probao .....


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Time sam pre neki dan pokusao neki sempl snare da ocistim i ... .

I onda postavljam pitanje cime? tj. kako?
Ne 60db, vec 100db-a, 120db-a, ~, jer ne zelim nista tu (u tom opsegu).
Waves LinEQ (linear phase) bi to morao obaviti bez problema. Krajnje desni filter ima "domet" do 259 Hz. Kad se stavi na hipass i Q dignesh do kraja (6.5 ako se ne varam) on postane gotovo okomit. Ako je u pitanju snare sigurno che eliminirati sve ispod frekvencije na koju ga podesish. Ako i ne... ne ustruchavaj se na isert stavit josh jedan LinEQ s istim postavkama. Na taj nachin sam "rezao" kase tako da od dvije napravim jednu, i to sam "rezao" upravo na 250 Hz.
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I onda postavljam pitanje cime? tj. kako?
Ne 60db, vec 100db-a, 120db-a, ~, jer ne zelim nista tu (u tom opsegu).
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