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Old 21-09-2006, 06:26 PM   #1
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Default A=440 Hz ili F=432 Hz

Ako vam se ikad uchinilo da najbolje zvuche tonovi "izmedju" crnih i bijelih tipki (tzv. detune) mozhda vam se dobro i uchinilo. Ja definitivno spadam u tu grupu i potroshio sam dosta vremena na experimentiranje i informiranje o "klasichnoj" oktavi sa 12 "equal temperament" tonova koja se bazira na tuningu A=440 Hz i o moguchim alternativama.

Naime, tek je oko 1930. prihvachen A-440 kao internacionalni standard. Inicijativa (dakako) dolazi iz Amerike. Do tada su se instrumenti shtimali uglavnom na 441 ili 432 Hz.

Nadalje, "klasichna" oktava u potpunosti krshi sve odlike harmonije, pitagorine pouchke, fibonacciev niz i zdrav razum. Ovakav "standard" u biti ima samo jednu notu ispravno "nashtimanu" dok su ostale manje ili vishe "flat" ili "sharp".

Sve vishe pianista pishe o "revolucionarnom otkrichu" (ja bih rekao ponovnom otkrichu) preshtimavanja klavira sa "koncertnog" 440 na 432 tune.

Dokaza i primjera je na stotine... upitno je samo smatrate li da vam je to potrebno ili vam je svejedno. Za ove prve evo par linkova koi mi se chine najkvalitetnijima po ovom pitanju. Ujedno molim ako netko zna za josh kakvu stranicu ili resurs s ovakvom tematikom da ga "baci na stol".

Evo linkovi:

http://www.mtvdance.com/philoscience/432page.html
http://www.earthmatrix.com/piano/octave.htm
http://www.hinduism.co.za/anahata.htm

... i jedna dama koja je stekla poprilichno shiroku sliku tematike i ima iscpran text o tome ovdje:
http://www.akasha.de/~aton/Unidance.html


UPOZORENJE: iskreni poklonici rock & roll glazbe bi trebali ovu temu preskochiti u kompletu!!!

edit: zaboravih i ovaj opshiran sajt o ovoj temi:
http://members.aol.com/jamesfuria/se...SIC%20HOMEPAGE
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Old 21-09-2006, 07:24 PM   #2
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Old 21-09-2006, 08:00 PM   #3
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U vst-u Albino3 (mozda i prethodne verzije) kada ga okrenes otpozadi imas da biras koji ces tuning ... ima ih na stotine.
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Old 22-09-2006, 11:43 AM   #4
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U vst-u Albino3 (mozda i prethodne verzije) kada ga okrenes otpozadi imas da biras koji ces tuning ... ima ih na stotine.
znam da ima. Imaju i Octopus, tera synth i neki drugi. Problem je sa 98% ostalih vst-a koi to ne podrzhavaju.
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Old 22-09-2006, 01:07 PM   #5
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znam da ima. Imaju i Octopus, tera synth i neki drugi. Problem je sa 98% ostalih vst-a koi to ne podrzhavaju.
sigurno postoji midi plugin kojim ovo moze da se uradi.
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Old 23-09-2006, 09:24 AM   #6
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Absynth3 me je nesto zaezao po ovom pitanju. Koliko se sećam nije hteo da sačuva tuning preset. Imate li vi ovih problema?

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z3ta+ ima interesantan tuning sistem koji koristi program Scala.

Microtuning Native support of Scala (.scl) microtuning definition files.

Scala is a powerful software tool for experimentation with musical tunings, such as just intonation scales, equal and historical temperaments, microtonal and macrotonal scales, and non-Western scales. It supports scale creation, editing, comparison, analysis, storage, tuning of electronic instruments, and MIDI file generation and tuning conversion.
Scala is ideal for the exploration of tunings and becoming familiar with the concepts involved.
In addition, a very large library of scales is freely available for Scala and can be used for analysis or music creation. And it's freeware!



200 microtuning files included, over 2900 freely available.

Scala Home Page


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Old 23-09-2006, 02:01 PM   #7
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sigurno postoji midi plugin kojim ovo moze da se uradi.
Ima, ali i nema. Ima i Cubase svoj microtuner ali funkcionira tako da ispravlja svaki od 12 tonova iz oktave za onoliko centi koliko odredim. Znam da djeluje chudno na prvi pogled, ali time se zapravo ovaj problem ne da rjeshiti. Ima josh jedan slichan i radi na istom principu.

Navodno postoi neki shtos sa midi fajlom exportiranim iz Scala programa koi se uchita u neki midi plug in i stavi kao insert na midi kanal. Na zhalost ne znam o kojem plug inu se radi niti je informacija bash 100% pouzdana.

Dosta syntheva podrzhava scala tuning, ali vechini takvih je to ujedno i jedina svjetla tochka. Npr. Albino i VirSynth...

...interesantno je kako otkad sam pocheo tunirati sprave na 432 sad momentalno primjetim koja glazba je on ili off tune. Bukvalno me iritira disonanca koju proizvode odredjeni tonovi u "koncertnom" tuningu. Zapanjujucha je i jasnocha zvuka koja se pojavi sa izmjenom od "samo" 8 Hz chak i kad se radi o semplanim instrumentima.
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do your home work. U ovu temu NE ulazim na ovom forumu ni mrtav
Nisam radio domaću zadaću ali pretpostavljam da ima veze sa kontrolom i programiranjem uma onako, od oka?
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ima i rizn neki overall tuning da namesti
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