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Old 15-12-2009, 05:18 PM   #1
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Kao sto u naslovu pise imam problem sa tom frekvencijom u sobi odnosno na mjestu slusanja i u krugu tog mjesta. Tocnije radi se o peak-u koji je najjaci na 120Hz, a moze se osjetnije primjetiti na podrucju od 110-130Hz. Moze ih se jos osjetiti na par frekvencija do 300Hz, ali nisu toliko jaki kao ovaj na 120...

Inace soba je 3.9m x 3.5m i visina 2.7m, a u svim kutovima su vec postavljeni bass trapovi (visina 2.5m, 15cm debljine kamene vune). Za RFZ sam koristio samo 4 broadband apsorbera debljine 10cm, koji su smjesteni iza i sa strane kontrolne pozicije.

Da li ima smisla raditi jos apsorbera sa kamenom vunom ili je mozda ovako nesto kvalitetnije rjesenje http://www.audiopro-croatia.com/mex/...=121&art=6606# ?
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Old 15-12-2009, 05:37 PM   #2
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Ne to nije rje?enje!

Vi?e absorbera!
Gledaj ovaj thread: http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25103
jo? su mu dodani difuzori i jo? pone?to kutnih absorbera i jo? nije gotovo...
... i ima jo problem od 90-110Hz i to velik dip.

A sad pročitaj ovo: http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27308

I točno tu stvaraju probleme velike radne povr?ine, ne treba da je ba? mikseta.
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Old 15-12-2009, 06:29 PM   #3
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Ne to nije rje?enje!

Vi?e absorbera!
Gledaj ovaj thread: http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25103
jo? su mu dodani difuzori i jo? pone?to kutnih absorbera i jo? nije gotovo...
... i ima jo problem od 90-110Hz i to velik dip.

A sad pročitaj ovo: http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27308

I točno tu stvaraju probleme velike radne povr?ine, ne treba da je ba? mikseta.
Pretpostavljam da je veliki problem to sta iza zvucnika nemam nikakvih panela, a tu se nalazi veliki stakleni prozor i vrata koja su takodjer vecinom od stakla... Jedina prednost je zavjesa koja pokriva cijeli taj prostor iza zvucnika, ali to na niske frekv. nema nikakvog utjecaja...

Znaci rjesenje je jos apsorbera, ali pitanje je koje debljine...? Sa debljinom 5cm vjerovatno necu moc utjecati na nista ispod 300Hz, znaci jos najmanje 4 apsorbera debljine 10cm bi moglo ublaziti postojeci problem ili se varam?
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Old 15-12-2009, 06:38 PM   #4
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Na pamet bez nacrta sam zna? ne ide.
Da se prostor tretira treba puno toga, prostor ti je i vrlo mali i skoro je du?ina jednaka ?irini...
LBIR i SBIR to malo pogooglaj...
http://www.realtraps.com/sbirlbir.htm
http://www.gikacoustics.com/education_sbir.html
... ima toga...
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Old 15-12-2009, 06:48 PM   #5
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Pretpostavljam da je veliki problem....
Problem je sto inace nemas puno mesta za apsorpciju a SVE refleksione povrsine su ti blize nego u velikom prostoru, te samim tim traze VISE apsorpcionog materijala... nego veliki prostor, znaci, zahtevi su medjusobno iskljucivi i sobu mozes srediti do neke mere, a spomenuti problem ce uvek ostati u nekoj meri primetan, bez obzira na nacin na koji tretiras sobu.

S druge strane malo je pretenciozno ocekivati od sobice "tri sa tri" sa akustickim tretmanom da svi problemi virtuelno nestanu.... kao sto vidis ostali su ti problemi na bassu... i to sam ponavljao bezbroj puta na ovom forumu, da je to najteze srediti i da je to najskuplje... sad naslucujes i zasto...


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Old 15-12-2009, 06:54 PM   #6
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Evo prilozio sam merne rezultate prostora slicnog tvom, te uporedi.
http://www.rumski.com/forum/showthre...925#post251929


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Old 15-12-2009, 06:59 PM   #7
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Da to je stvarno više nego odličan rezultat.
Recepat je?!
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Hallo Solozabal

de mi posalji mjerenje na Pm da nesto pogledam.
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Hallo Solozabal

de mi posalji mjerenje na Pm da nesto pogledam.
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Nisam radio mjerenja sa softwerom vec uhom i to pomocu
testnih tonova (20-300Hz) koje sam nasao na jednoj stranici.

Malo sam lijen raditi mjerenja pogotovo kad razmislim da sve
panele treba iznjet iz sobe...


Inace razmisljam o tube trapovima jer rezultati s njima
izgledaju ohrabrujuce.., samo mi mi nije jasno kako saviti tvrdu
kamenu vunu u oblik kruznice?
Pretpostavljam da se meka vuna u ovom slucaju ne koristi zbog
male gustoce.
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