Vangelis i filozofija zivota...
 

Podstaknut skorasnjim temama i raspravama potrazio sam intervjue sa Vangelisom koje sam dosta davno citao i gotovo zaboravio sve do danas .
Posebno sam se setio SHIVE :)

Kao mali uvod u linkove koje cu vam proslediti, postujem u originalu deo intervjua koji je Vangelis da odmah posle Mythodea koncerta u kojem govori kako je to nastalo i koliko mu je vremena trebalo da to napise ( iskomponuje)...verovali ili ne cela kompozicija u originalnom obliku je nastala za svega 60 minuta...da ne duzim citajte

Frits: When you were sitting behind your keyboards while everything was going on, who were you then: were you the composer enjoying his own music or were you the director of all things going on?
Vangelis: No, the composer... the composer joining in: I was part of the orchestra. And if I was not a keyboard-player, in this case I would have happily played maybe a triangle, or I would have played the cymbals, or the bass drum or a snare drum. I was part of the orchestra, nothing else.
Frits: Wasn't it hard, I mean, when you're in the studio you can do what you want yourself, now you had to stick to the score because you had agreed with the orchestra what they were going to play. Was that not hard for you?
Vangelis: No, because you see when I composed the piece... As you are a technical magazine, you talk about technology, although I avoid talking about things like that, it is very important to say but this piece was composed in an hour. Yes, it took me an hour, and I mention that (some people might think something is wrong with me to say this) for the sake of technology. Because the reason that I composed this piece in an hour is that I'm not using the technology in the conventional way. (Profound voice:) I'm not using computers.
Frits: You still do it on paper?
Vangelis: Not on paper, I don't read and write music, I just play.
Frits: So in effect it's real-time because the piece lasts an hour....
Vangelis: It's real-time, the piece lasts an hour, and so you have a piece, that's all. And I'm saying that because if, from the technological point of view you use the computer, imagine how long it would have taken to write, to orchestrate and to record this piece. Actually in this case I compose it, orchestrate it, direct it and record it at the same time, simultaneously. So the result was a symphonic sound in an hour. Sounds strange what I'm saying, and maybe unbelievable, but it's true and I mention it only because your magazine is about technology.
Frits: And afterwards? Because you have to give something to the musicians who are playing it...
Vangelis: Yes, afterwards what we do is, we take note by note what I play, dictate, and then... Because the orchestration is already there: all the colors, all the instruments (because of the way that I'm working) everything imaginable. If you listen to the prototype of Mythodea (played by me) it sounds exactly the same. The thing is, why use a symphony orchestra? For two reasons: because, when you combine that with a symphony orchestra, you have a better, a much more generous maybe, sound. Which I like, not always, in this case, right? And also because this piece can travel without myself. I don't have to go around and perform, I mean, this can be performed without me.
Frits: With somebody else doing the keyboards then?
Vangelis: Well, yeah, not so much, a little bit. Very little effects, you see? As I composed the piece and know it, I just add some things but without that, it's exactly the same. So, it's important to... (Because of what we were saying), because today we think that we can produce music only when we use computers and I don't think this is... I'm totally the opposite, I'm against that.

Linkovi :

http://elsew.com/data/klem107.htm

http://elsew.com/data/tanea.htm

http://elsew.com/data/bninterv.htm

http://elsew.com/data/status.htm

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Neverovatan je chovek,zaista;) :)
Sad kad si spomenuo Shivu ,ja na njegovu upornu tvrdnju da je Shpongle jede Vangelisa za dorucak,lepo uzmem i downloadujem ti ja dva albuma"Are you Shpongled" i "Tales of Inexpressible" i da vidite kako mi je u momentu sve bilo jasno ,progledao sam -odjednom mi je Vangelis izgledao kao teatralno i prepotentno govance u celofanu (pogledati temu o Vangelisu koju je Markoff zapoceo:rotfl: :D )
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Hahahahahahahaha:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :banghead: ,ni u ludilu - meni se jedino i to onako ,osrednje svidja ona stvar "Behind closed eyelids" jer ima kao neki "hook" sto veli DaBear....
Mislim,ocekivao sam nesto tako uzviseno da bi mi se Bachova Passacaglia BWV 582 smucila posle toga.....:rolleyes: :banghead:
"Simon bi dao kilogram svog zivotaaaaaaaaaa za jedan gram Vangelisovog talentaaaaaaaaa ":D :rotfl: :banghead: (pevati u narodnjackom stilu ...:rotfl: )

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Bilo bi smjeshno da si napisao bilo shto drugo... zar ne? Netko voli narodnjake, neko pop, neko Vangelisa a neko Shponglea i Seven Ark. Sachuvaj bozhe da smo svi isti.

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Nemas pojma koliko mi je drago sto si mi tako odgovorio ;) Ja ocekivao ljutnju i kilometarske postove :D Shpongle i Vangelis su totalno razliciti stilovi muzike(bilo bi smisla npr porediti Vangelisa i Jarrea mada u sustini ni to nema smisla jer su i to razliciti stilovi :confused: :D ).Recimo licno,meni se mnogo vise svidja Hallucinogen jer sam tamo negde 1997 slusao Pranu,Cosmosisa i ostale goa-trancere.
Iskreno da ti kazem ,bio sam veliki fan Vangelisa(a i Jarrea) kao klinac i tada sam jos jako voleo te "prepucane" stvari tipa "Conquest of Paradise" ,zatim "Titles" iz Chariotsa i vremenom su mu postajali interesantniji njegovi radovi koji ne iskacu toliko u prvi plan "Soil Festivites" , "A Separate Affair" sa Neuroniumom,"Ignacio" ,"Reve" iz Opere Sauvage itd.
Dosta dugo sam slusao hard-techno i hardgroove tribal ,mada razvodnise ga mnogo u zadnjih par godina pa pravo da ti kazem ne slusam vise nista!!!:o :confused:
Ne mogu vise da slusam ni Vangelisa,ni Jarrea,pa cak i Tangerine Dream na koji sam se bio toliko navukao:da: a ni tehno - osecam neodoljivu potrebu da pravim muziku a ne da je slusam ili makar da cujem nesto sto do sada nisam ;) :)

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Razumijem te u potpunosti. Ja sam bio pod dojmom da vech godinama muzika postaje sve loshija i slushao sve manje novih izdanja. Na kraju sam shvatio da me slushanje glazbe vishe ne veseli kao nekad. Sad radije sjedim u tishini ili stvaram muziku. Shto je najchudnije... jednako se dobro osjecham nakon 5 sati stvaranja bez obzira jesam li na kraju stisnuo "save" ili jednostavno zatvorio Cubase i ne sejvao nishta... minimalno me to plashi kad razmishljam o tome, ali nastoim shto manje razmishljati u zadnje vrijeme pa kud puklo da puklo :D

After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.
Aldous Huxley, "Music at Night", 1931

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To su isto govorili stari rokeri kad se pojavila elektronska muzika. Ali odgovor na to si i sam dao.
"Na kraju sam shvatio da me slushanje glazbe vishe ne veseli kao nekad."
J*b* ga buraz.:(

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Kao i gledanje filmova... nekad sam gledao gotovo sve shto je vrijedilo. Granica "shto je vrijedno" se toliko pomakla da sad pogledam cca 3 filma godishnje a televiziju nisam upalio skoro 2 godine. Umjesto da gledam kako glumci glume zhivote drugih ljudi na TV-u radije zhivim svoj zhivot. Slichno je vjerujem i s glazbom.

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Drugari, drago mi je da ste se "preselili" sa temem o muzici i na ovaj post ali vas molim da ovog puta ostanemo u domenu topica...znaci bez Ivice i Marice ;) .
Nije tema posta voleti Vangelisa, na protiv, nego posmatrati coveka stvaraoca koji se ponasa u skladu sa svojom filozofijom zivota koja se u danasnje vreme smatra izumrlom ili apsolutno nemogucom za izvesti u savremenom drustvu.
Dakle, ako vas ne mrzi procitajte pa da to komentarisemo...ako vas mrzi onda bez Ivice i Marice :)

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Impresivan nachin komponiranja... bez daljnjeg. Muzika mu je kakva je... to je stvar ukusa. Ono shto me zhalosti je nemoguchnost tako impresivnog kompozitora da shvati jednostavnu istinu... kad si protiv bilo chega time uvijek podrzhavash dinamiku protivljenja. Po tom pitanju je isti kao Vlatko Stefanovski koi je strashno isfrustriran kompjuterima. Tako su veliki u tome shto rade, a opet tako sitne dushe.

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Ne vidim sta je to toliko lose sto neko ne voli kompjutere u muzici, posebno da ih to cini kao si rekao " sitnim dushama" ili isfrustriranima?

Licno mi se puno puta desilo da bas zbog tog istog kompjutera ideja koju sam imao nestane dok je sve popalim, naklikcem, restartujem....itd.
Direktan pristup instrumentu je ne zamenjiv, sta god on bio.....kada isnpiracija tece ne sme biti prekinuta, inace postajemo isfrustrirani.;)

Jednostavno nacin na koji Vangelis radi je savrseno prikladan za njegov nacin razmisljanja i stvaranja, sto ne mora da bude istina i za nekog drugog.

Brzina prenosa, iz glave do zvucnika (instrumenta), ideje i emocije je od izuzetne vaznosti ( po meni) , jer od toga zavisi koliko dobro i da li cemo uopste preneti svoja osecanja i ideje u muziku.