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Side-Chain u Cubase SX3

Voleo bih jedan kraci tutorijal kako izvesti side-chain kompresiju u navedenom programu. Imam GAC-SC a i treba mi stvarno.. Znam da je moguce :p

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ja koristin dB-D dynamics processor.
o ovemu smo vec pisali. vrlo je jednostavno.
recimo, ako zelis da ti hat stisava pad. onda na hat stavis prvi kompresor i na njemu ukjucis send, a drugi kompresor stavis na pad i na njemu ukjucis recv.
ako hoces vise takvih konbinacija u jednemu aranzmanu, onda na slijedici par ukjucis kombinaciju b-b (prva je a-a), onda c-c, pa d-d, e-e i f-f.
znaci, po aranzmanu mozes napravit 6 sidechain parova. :da:

bdv: pulsarovi kompresori imaju sidechain i oni se spajaju normano ko hardware, ali sa virtualnin kabelima.
nego sto je to GAC-SC?

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evo nekoliko objasnjenja koristeci waves c1 i voxengo crunchessor.
verujem da ce ti ovo drugo pomoci..

c1:

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1. start a new project and create 3 tracks - a kick drum, a subbass and a STEREO group channel

2. Insert the Waves C1 sc into the stereo group

3. pan the kick hard left and the bass hard right

4. route the kick and the bass channel to the stereo group

5. open the Waves C1 sc, and set KEY Mode to L>R
now the kick is "gone", your bass should only play on the right side.

6. to bring your bass back to the center open the mixer and RIGHT-CLICK on the PAN fader of the STEREO GROUP.
there are three options, one gets the desired result (and i forgot which one ). you'll see two panning faders there, just put them BOTH to the center. just try until you find the right option, if you get this working the hard part is done.

7. open the Waves C1 sc and lower the treshhold to -30db.

8. pull up the ratio and see how the gain reduction meter starts pumping to the 4x4 groove of your kick. you're almost there.

9. but now you wanna hear your kick again, right? create a new mono group, then go to your kick channel and SEND it to this group.
That's it!

crunchessor 1

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1. Enable sidechaining in Crunchessor.

2. Add a group track and set to Quadro (4.0).

3. Route both track and control sources to the group.

4. Use the surround panners to set the track source to front middle and the control source to rear middle.

5. If you need output from your control source at the main bus, simply add a send and enable it. You have to do it this way because I don't think you have pan control on sends in Nuendo which means the only way to control pan from the audio and control sources is to use their main outputs into the 4 channel group.

6. Tweak the settings in Crunchessor and you should be getting side chaining.

crunchessor 2

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Detailed description of "True Stereo Side-Chaining" with
Voxengo Crunchessor in CubaseSX (tested in SX2.2.039):
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The following example will use a kick drum track to duck/compress a bass line track:
1) Create a Quadro group (L,R,LS,RS).
2) Route the bass track to the Quadro group.
a) Open the SurroundPan window in the bass track by double-click on the pan-view in the mixer.
b) Here you must set the Mode Mo./St to Y-Mirror (By default it is set to Mono-Mix).
c) Set the grey panning balls in the SurroundPan window to 100% left and right
and pan it to L/R. This means the L-ball sits at top-left, the R-ball sits
at top-right in the SurroundPan view.
3) Route a send-slot of the kick track to the Quadro group.
(Of course you can route the kick track directly to the Quadro group,
but you won't hear the kick drum at the stereo output bus in this case)
a) Set Pre-Fader switch to ON (the "at" symbol).
(It is necessary to retain the control over the volume slider for the kick track)
b) Set the Send-Amount slider to 0 (CTRL left click on the slider).
c) Change the view of the send-slot to "Routing" (little window above the send slots).
d) Open the SurroundPan window by double-click the (now visible) pan-view in the send slot.
e) Do the same as in 2b)
f) Set the grey panning balls in the SurroundPan window to 100% left and right
and pan it to LS/RS. This means the L-ball sits at bottom-left, the R-ball sits
at bottom-right in the SurroundPan view.
4) Insert crunchessor in an insert-slot of the Quadro group
5) Activate Side-Chain in Crunchessor
6) Start with the preset "Club is pumping" (or pull the Drive-knob to maximum)
in Crunchessor to see/hear the effect.
Leave the Crunchessor window open to see the effect via the gain reduction meter:
When the kick drum sets in, the bass track will be ducked/compressed according to the
compressor settings applied to the plug-in.

You can do this the same way with 2 mono tracks, although I think you could leave
the Mode Mo./St in the SurroundPan views to "Mono-Mix". Experiment a bit !

Addition: There's also another "quick" way to do side-chaining with Quadro Output-Bus instead of Quadro-Group:
1) Define a new Quadro Output-Bus and there 2 child/sub-busses ("Stereo" and "Stereo (Rs Ls)").
2) Route Bass track to "Stereo" and Kick track to "Stereo (Rs Ls)".
3) Insert Crunchessor in the Quadro bus.
You don't have to fiddle with Pan-Settings with this method but has its disadvantage in SX2
that you don't have further routing possibilities with the Quadro bus.
In SX3 you can define child/sub-busses also for groups (problem solved here).

poz

Re: Side-Chain u Cubase SX3

Bojim se da waves plug inovi u vst-u ne rade SC,dok u pro toolsima to radi.
Mozda lupam a mozda i ne.

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Radi i u VST-u , samo je u PT-u to jedno 1000 puta logicnije i lakse uradjeno.

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GAC je Kjaerhus Audiov Golden Audio Channel koji mi odlicno radi na bubnjevima, al probacu i ove ostale..

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Originally Posted by Arthur

GAC je Kjaerhus Audiov Golden Audio Channel koji mi odlicno radi na bubnjevima, al probacu i ove ostale..

probaj postavke za crunchessor, ali upotrebi gac..

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probaj ovo:

Nisam uspeo da nateram da radi GAC :( , ali imas C1 "kao" radi.

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mozda nebi bilo lose da artur napise sto tocno hoce napravit i koji sc zeli koristit?

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Originally Posted by sasaristic

Radi i u VST-u , samo je u PT-u to jedno 1000 puta logicnije i lakse uradjeno.

Zato sam i rekao da mozda lupam....
Otkrij nam kako....ako ti nije problem:hyper:

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Uputstvo koje je dao Lesha je ok.Napravis grupu u koju saljes dva audio kanala koje panujes jedan levo ,drugi desno.Na group kanalu insertujes waves sc i na key opciji izaberes l-R .Podesis treshold kako ti odgovara i vec mozes da cujes rezultat ali panovan.To ispravljas u mikseru desnim klikom na pan(izaberes stereo combined paner i postavis kanal u centar).Sve u svemu zivot da ti se smuci zbog jedne sitne gluposti.U PT jednostavno na sc opciji izaberes input kanal i to je to.

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Originally Posted by sasaristic

Sve u svemu zivot da ti se smuci zbog jedne sitne gluposti.U PT jednostavno na sc opciji izaberes input kanal i to je to.

i sa pulsarom je jednostavno, jer spajas na isti nacin ko sto spajas hardware, ali i sa dB-D dynamics processorom u nuendu je vrlo jednostavno. :da:

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Hey ljudi.. ok side chain i sve to... ali, da li bi neko bio dobar da d? jedan konkretan zivotni primer gde se to koristi ili gde je koristiJo. Mislim... cemu to sve uopste? :D

p.s. Izvinte na neupucenosti. :banghead:

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sidechain se koristi za ducking, uglavnom kad zelis da istaknes kick u odnosu na bas, tako da svaki put kad udari kick, bas se automatski utisa..

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Moze recimo i vokal da kontrolise jacinu padova, tako da se ne guraju previse u mixu.

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da, u principu se koristi za isticanje jednog u odnosu na drugi instrument/zvuk ako se nalaze u istom zvucnom spektru..

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Ljudi, hvala puno sto se raspisaste. Sta pokusavam? Pa recimo da se igram malo sa tim nekim NUmetal projektom koji treba da ima veoma debeo kick i veoma debeo bass u najdonjem spektru (ne pitajte me zasto, jednostavno to sam cuo na modernijoj produkciji tog zanra). E sad, klasicnom ekvalizacijom prilicno uspevam to da postignem ali ima nekoliko slucajeva kada mi je SC potreban (kada bubnjar svira duplu-bass pedalu dok bassista ore po 5toj zici).
Za bubanj koristim uglavnom taj GoldenAudioChannel, i ni na koji nacin od navedenih ga nisam uspeo naterati da radi side-chain. C1 jos nisam probao a probacu dok crunchessor nemam..
Ne znam da li se to radi u ovu namenu koju sam naveo, ali znam da se koristi cesto u tim situacijama bass/kick (video lepu primenu u D'n'B muzici)..

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http://fr.audiofanzine.com/tutoriels...uit,47923.html

Evo i ovde jednostavno objasnjeno.

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Zasto neprobas sa TC native bundle 3jkom ? Kompresor sam po sebi je odlican a side chain je nikad laksi : Na traku sa kickom ubacis mali plugin koji se zove sidechainer (ko bi reko ) koji se instalira kao deo paketa a na bas ubacis kompresor i stisnes dugme key input i malo podesis parametre i to je to .

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e vidis, danas sam ga tek video da postoji medju mojim plugovima, a sutra cu ga i isprobati. Hvala TAZ! :D Inace, definitivno sam uspeo da resim problem sa Golden Audio Channalom, i to preko obicne stereo grupe. Nije tesko, ako neko zeli mogu i detaljnije objasniti. Ono sto me sad dalje interesuje je eventualna multiband sidechain kompresija, da mi kick duckuje samo odredjen opseg bassa, a ne od vrha, narocito ako bass nesto lepo frazira tada... Cini mi se da neki od sonalkissovih kompresora to mogu i sutra se bacam na dalje istrazivanje. Inace, definitivno sam navucen na ovu kombinaciju kick/bass u sidechainu, stvarno olaksava neke specificne zahteve....

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Originally Posted by Tazman

na potuno isti nacin funkcionira i db-D dynamics processor koji sam mu ja priporuci, samo sto se umisto sidechainera ubaci kompresor na kojem se ukjuci 'send', a na drugom kompresoru se ukjuci 'recv'.
ne moze bit jednostavnije. :da:

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Originally Posted by Tazman

super je to.

samo sto ni jedna instalacija TC3 koju imam nece da dozvoli paljenje "Key Input"-a :mad:

Taz jel ti koristis MAC-a?

A ja za sada koristim OtiumFX Compadre i vrlo je dobar, a radi na isti nacin koji je Lesha objasnio.

Jedini razlog zbog kog bih voleo ovaj TC3 je zato sto me strasno smara postavka SC koji ja koristim, mnogo naporno.

gde mogu da nadjem taj db-D dynamics processor ???

Hvala