Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

Evo još jedan lep sistem, sada za 24 broja. Pun sistem ima 346104 kombinacija. da se uhvati petica potrebno je igrati 440 kombinacija i taj sistem je napravio gospodin Sveta Marjanović. Ako ne želite igrati isti može da bude interesantan moj sistem od 350 kombinacija koji ima pokrivenost kada je u pitanju petica 99.529% ili 344474 kombinacija od punog sistema. Ako pogodite 7 brojeva u vaših 24 a ne dobijete peticu tada ovaj sistem još uvek garantuje neku minimalnu dobit, 26 četvorki i 92 trojke.

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Da pojasnim malo zašto su ovi sistemi nekada interesantniji od sistema koji potpuno garantuju peticu. Uzmimo na primer ovaj gore pomenuti sistem od 440 kombinacija. Ako ga odigrate njegova minimalna garancija dobitaka je 1 petica, 25 četvorki i 119 trojki. Ukupno za sistem je potrebno 440x60din. garantovana minimalna dobit je 119x60+25*600+dobitak za peticu. Ako pogledate trenutno poslednje loto izvlačenje dobitak za peticu je bio 2294 dinara (12 kolo 12.02.2013.) Dakle u ovom slučaju minimalna garancija ovog sistema bila bi manja od uloženih para.
Dakle može se desiti da sa nekim skraćenim sistemima naročito kada je u pitanju veći broj brojeva sistemi sa potpunom pokrivenošću u smislu dobijanja petice ne garantuju dobit. Vodite o ovome računa. Moji sistemi ako se uslovi skockaju uvek obezbedjuju dobit pa makar ona bila i minimalna ali je ima.
Dakle konkretno da se sa istim brojevima odigrao sistem od 440 kombinacija i ovaj od 350 u recimo poslednjem kolu lotoa i da smo pogodili da su 7 brojeva u naših 24, za prvi bi potrošili 26400din a dobili nazad najmanje 24434, dakle može da se desi da budete u minusu, a ovaj drugi sistem košta 21000 din a najmanje što može da vrati je 21120din.

Dakle, prvi sistem (što je trenutno najbolji i najkrači skraćeni sitem na svetu kojim se garantuje petica) zavisi od iznosa dobitka za peticu i ako je on manji od 4260 tada može da se desi da izgubite novac a da ste peticu i pogodili. Kod mog sistema vrednost dobitka za peticu nije od značaja, bez obzira na nju čak i da je nema dobit postoji.

Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

Ovo je gore granični sistem (bar za sada) jer kada se krene na 25 brojeva sistemi kojima se juri petica jednostavno ne vraćaju novac ili je pak to jako retko, t.j. dobitak petice treba da je dosta visok. Nema smisla igrati te sisteme jer ako se ne uhvati ?estica tada smo u čabru.

Za sada bolja re?enja će morati da sačekaju da nam računari postanu jedno bar 100x br?i. Jer samo da podsetim teorijski broj potrebnih kombinacija za sistem od 24 broja u smislu garantovanja petice je 117 a praktično najbolje svetsko re?enje za sada je 440. Ni blizu. Niakve teorije i gimnastike ne dovode do boljih re?enja i tada peostaje brutal force ali na?e sprave sada mogu da se nateraju da muljaju 50-100 miliona kombinacija u sekundi i to je...katastrofa sporo za ovaj loto problem.

Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

Ja nebi ni od 35 brojeva pogodio 7 to kad me nece jednostavno neide a opet nekad sam znao ispunit samo dve kolone jos na brzinu i bilo je 5 pogodaka. Dzaba mi i statistika i sta sve ne a rezultat je najvise dva pogodka premda nisam pokusavao igrati skuplje sisteme

Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

Kako izrađujete skraćene sisteme?

Tesko ce da ti odgovori, dobio sedmicu otisao na boru boru...:)

Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

7 brojeva se izvlace slucajno i tu je kraj svake price i matematike... jedino da krene da izucava mehanicke osobine masine za izvlacenje sto je prakticno nemoguce.

Ovo sto on radi ovde je da uzima u obzir koliko para nose dobici za 3,4,5,6 pogodaka pa onda pokusava da uklopi da taj kesh od pogodaka bude veci od ulozenog novca za uplacivanje tolikog broja kombinacija, sa nekom verovatnocom.

Prakticno i da nadje "rupu" to bi samo znacilo da je taj matematicar sto je odredjivao tarife za pogotke fejlovao, sto je malo verovatno jer se isti 7/39 sistem sa koeficijentima za pogotke koristi svuda u svetu.

I da je neki nas smisljao, opet je mala sansa da se zajebao jer to nije toliko teska matematika, to je u rangu 4 razreda gimnazije. Da sam malo dokoniji izracunao bih sa kolikim teorijskim profitom radi trenutno loto lutrije srbije, siguran sam da nije ispod 30%, uopste nije cudo sto drzava jedina ima monopol da organizuje takve igre (citaj piramidalne prevare).

Usput u srpskoj lutriji dobitak za 7 je smesan, negde oko 150-200k eura, 7-ice na zapadu idu desetine miliona.

Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

Pa kad smo smjesno malobrojni i na nivou razvoja juznoafricke republike...

A slazem se da su ti sistemi cisto gubljenje vremena...uzmite samo statistiku ovih sto dobijaju te iste sedmice i dzek potove, malo ko od njih uopste zna sta je sistem, a kamoli da ih koriste... Mislim, ako to nije dovoljno za demanti, onda ne znam sta je :) ...

Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

postoji neka knjiga koja snove tumaci u lutrijske brojeve, tetka je to koristila par puta u italiji i dobijala fine svotice ali nikada 7micu.

Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

Ovaj deo matematike se naziva Covering designs, i na ?alost veoma je to kompleksna i ozbiljna oblast.Ovde je primenjena na ovu igricu. Mo?da vam deluje sve lako,jednostavno, prosto...ali to samo tako izgleda, u praksi je to sasvim druga priča, nama dodu?e veoma dobro poznata... iz srednje ?kole (bar kako nas Vasko podseti).

Re: Dobar Loto Skraceni Sistem
 

Alek019, mo?ete li ponuditi skraćene loto sisteme za loto 5/xx?