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Bota 11-08-2008 01:51 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
Opet si pogresno skapirao. I klasa A i Klasa AB imaju primjenu u pro audiju.

HeatMan 11-08-2008 02:17 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
jbt..

nisam pogreshno skapirao nego sam sam to konstatovao.. probaj da prochitash jbg..

da si prochitao, mozda bi video shta po meni moze da se koristi u "pro audiju".. :?

boggy 11-08-2008 03:35 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
Ovo dole su karakteristike operacionog pojacavaca kod koga je barem jedan (izlazni) stepen u klasi AB, da je kojim slucajem jedino moguce dobiti takve performase samo u klasi A, ovakav cip ne bi postojao, a verovatno ni cela tehnologija audio produkcije ne bi bila OVOLIKO rasprostranjena...

LM4562, National Semiconductor
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td char="." valign="bottom"> R<sub>L</sub> = 2kΩ </td> <td char="." valign="bottom">0.00003% (typ)!!!!<!--!!!!!</font--> </td> </tr> <tr> <td char="." valign="bottom"> R<sub>L</sub> = 600Ω </td> <td char="." valign="bottom">0.00003% (typ)!!!!<!--!!!!!</font--> </td> </tr> <tr> <td char="." align="left" valign="bottom"><symbol>■</symbol> <symbol> </symbol>Input Noise Density </td> <td char="." align="right" valign="bottom">2.7nV/ <symbol>√</symbol> ^Hz (typ) </td> </tr> <tr> <td char="." align="left" valign="top"><symbol>■</symbol> <symbol> </symbol>Slew Rate </td> <td char="." align="right" valign="middle">?20V/μs (typ) </td> </tr> <tr> <td char="."><symbol>■</symbol> <symbol> </symbol>Gain Bandwidth Product </td> <td char="." valign="middle">55MHz (typ) </td> </tr> <tr> <td char="."><symbol>■</symbol> <symbol> </symbol>Open Loop Gain (R<sub>L</sub> = 600Ω) </td> <td char="." valign="middle">140dB (typ) </td> </tr> <tr> <td char="."><symbol>■</symbol> <symbol> </symbol>Input Bias Current </td> <td char="." valign="middle">10nA (typ) </td> </tr> <tr> <td char="."><symbol>■</symbol> <symbol> </symbol>Input Offset Voltage </td> <td char="." valign="middle">0.1mV (typ) </td> </tr> <tr> <td char="."><symbol>■</symbol> <symbol> </symbol>DC Gain Linearity Error </td> <td char="." valign="middle">0.000009%</td></tr></tbody></table>

HeatMan, navedi mi barem jedan pojacavac u klasi A, svejedno da li je pojacavac snage, mikrofonski predpojacavac, pojacavac za slusalice, a da pri tom ima BOLJE specifikacije od gore navedenog cipa (koji, uzgred, kosta manje od 10$ na komad)... pa posto ga nadjes, navedi koliko kosta....

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Originally Posted by HeatMan (Post 212690)
jbt..
nisam pogreshno skapirao

Siguran si?
Quote:

Originally Posted by HeatMan (Post 212690)
nego sam sam to konstatovao..

Na osnovu cega si to konstatovao?
Quote:

Originally Posted by HeatMan (Post 212690)
probaj da prochitash jbg..

bice da smo procitali obojica... pazljivo
Quote:

Originally Posted by HeatMan (Post 212690)
da si prochitao, mozda bi video shta po meni moze da se koristi u "pro audiju".. :?

ponovo pitam na osnovu cega to konstatujes?

pozdrav

bogi

HeatMan 11-08-2008 03:50 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
na osnovu skica koje sam video na onom linku koji si mi dao.. sa wikipedie... loshe ste skapirali mene.. ok kapiram shta hocesh reci, ALI ja nigde nisam rekao da AB nije dobar.. rekao sam da predpojachala klasa od B pa na dalje, ne vredi koristiti u pro audio tehnici chisto zbog izoblichenog izlaza iz preampa.. to je jedino shto sam hteo reci, a vi bi da me rastrgnete sad na komade.. :? :(

HeatMan 11-08-2008 03:54 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
evo, najprostije

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_Class_A.png

class A^ samo pojachava signal, uz najmanje izoblichenja..

class b ochigledan problem, kao i kod C..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ss_B_fixed.png

class C

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_Class_C.png

itd...

to je sve shto sam hteo reci, a ako me ne razumete ojsh uvek, ja mislim da je vreme za mene da odem na lechenje

Reinhardt 11-08-2008 03:58 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
malo OT, kad se vec spominje beringer;
neki dan probali side chain ducking sa nekim "lampaskim" kompresorom, ima neku oznaku T19.. i ugodno se iznenadili :shock:

boggy 11-08-2008 03:58 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
HeatMan, veruj mi da te ja razumem, pogotovo zato sto si chupnuo "travku", a nisi svestan koliki koren ta "travka" ima...

naime... "zaboravio" si da nastavis sa citanjem... recimoooo... Negative Feedback! ;)

pozdrav

bogi

HeatMan 11-08-2008 04:04 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
ma ja sam to konstatovao samo iz prilozenog.. siguran sam da ima i da ce biti boljih idejnih i tehnichkih reshenja.. al nit se razumem neshto preterano u elektroniku niti sam neshto preterano zainteresovan.. :) u sv sl, hvala na objashnjenju..

btw, heatman011@hotmail.com .. na dial upu sam, i godinama mi shalje i postove, a kamoli pm.. ne mogu ni da ga otvorim.. bacite mi novi link za ono mix takmichenje...

poz

sale

dvuckovic 11-08-2008 04:04 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HeatMan (Post 212565)
ma skapirao sam bre chovek.. :) ali ne vidim da bi ostale klase mogle naci primenu u pro audiu.. to je bila poenta.. izoblichuje signal..


Pa ako ces vec o izoblicenjima u pro audiu, evo ti specifikacija za Teletronix LA2A:

Technical Specifications
Input Impedance 50, 150, 250, 600 ohms
Output Load Impedance 50, 150, 250, 600 ohms
External Connections Jones Barrier terminals and XLR connectors
Frequency Response +0/-1 dB 30 Hz to 15kHz
Gain 40 dB ? 1dB
Input Level +16 dB maximum
Output Level +10 dB nominal, +16 dB maximum
Distortion Less than 0.5% THD (0.25% typical) at ?10 dBm
Noise 70 dB below +10 dBm output level
Attack Time 10 milliseconds
Release Time 0.06 seconds for 50% release; 0.5 to 5 seconds for complete release
Meter dB gain reduction and dB output
Power Requirements 35 watts, 120/240 volts, 50/60 Hz
Environmental Maximum operating temperature 160?F
Dimensions 19" Rackmount chassis, 3U
Weight 13 lbs.




I za 1176:

Input Impedance 600 ohms, bridges-T control (floating)
Output Load Impedance 600 ohms, floating, damping factor 20
External Connections Jones Barrier terminals and XLR connectors
Frequency Response ? 1 dB 20 Hz to 20kHz
Gain 50 dB
Distortion Less than 0.5% total harmonic distortion from 50 Hz to 15 kHz with limiting
Signal to Noise Ratio Greater than 70 dB at +10 dBm
Attack Time 20 microseconds to 800 microseconds
Release Time 50 milliseconds to 1.1 seconds

Obrati paznju na THD i frequency response.

dvuckovic 11-08-2008 04:08 PM

Re: Objasnite mi molim vas - Class A
 
Specifikacija za Sound Blaster X-Fi:


Playback: 24-Bit/96kHz 7.1
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >108dB (20kHz Low-pass filter, A-Weighted)
Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise at 1kHz: 0.006% (20kHz Low-pass filter)
Recording: 24-bit/96kHz


Sta bi radije posjedovao, gledano po izoblicenjima i S/N ratio?


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