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Re: ITB super saveti !!

"Everything in the original post is true, but it isn't why itb mixes don't sound as good (warm/deep/wide/clear/smooth/alive) as analog mixes."

Gregory Scott - ubk
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Re: ITB super saveti !!

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Originally Posted by Gianfranco (Post 255657)

zato sto je u originalnom postu samo deo "istine" :)

Re: ITB super saveti !!

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Something to think about. The noise floor of an analog desk is about -75 DB from our +4 reference. Our equivalent "problem level" below our -20 reference in digital is well over 100 DB. So please don't let people tell you analog has more "headroom" than digital. This is simply not true. Headroom is only relative to your noise floor below your reference. Remember if the volume is to low, turn up the darn speaker volume.

So what does all this mean? Put simply, proper gain staging is essential to both analog and digital mixing. You just need to correlate the references between the two. Once you figure this out, I'll Guarantee your mixes will start to sound open and wide, just like the good old analog days.

nisam siguran da'l sam skontao ali sam primetio da otkako sam krenuo da praktikujem da mi regler na DAW kanalu koji je sniman na +4 ne prelazi 30% od -besk. - do 0db recimo, konacni miks mi zvuci dosta "analognije" nego pre kad sam gario.

debiliziram, al jel to poanta ovog dela teksta???

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Originally Posted by InsaneEyes (Post 255662)

nisam siguran da'l sam skontao ali sam primetio da otkako sam krenuo da praktikujem da mi regler na DAW kanalu koji je sniman na +4 ne prelazi 30% od -besk. - do 0db recimo, sve mi zvuci dosta "analognije" nego pre kad sam gario.

debiliziram, al jel to poanta ovog dela teksta???

ne

samo pomeranje "DAW reglera" je poprilican problem inace

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Originally Posted by Everlast (Post 255663)

samo pomeranje "DAW reglera" je poprilican problem inace

u kom smislu?

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inace, mali test koji moze svako da odradi

npr Ableton

- 2 identicna kanala u smislu isti loop na svakom
- na jednom spustiti gain za -8db(ili vise), a na drugom istu vrednost ali upotrebom Sonalksis FreeG(64bit double precision), ali da je fader od Abletona na 0db
- obrnuti fazu na jednom kanalu
- otvoriti dva nova kanala pa routing svaki od prethodnih u ta dva respektivno
- odraditi promenu gain-a na jednom sa Ableton faderom, a na drugom sa FreeG-om

razlika je cujna

zasto?

zbog internog ne-ditheringa koju vecina DAWs sprovodi (Pro Tools ima mixer dither opciju btw)

svaka promena gain-a dovodi do tzv truncation distortion i rounding errors koja trazi dithering koji se ne sprovodi interno, a ta se distorzija akumulira kroz kanale prilikom promene gain-a

poprilican problem u vecini DAWs

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Originally Posted by Everlast (Post 255667)

... rounding errors ...

Za ovo sam mislio da je mit,medjutim,mislim da je ovo stvara poprilicno veliki problem u SVIM softverima...ubedio se licno.

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Ne u svim, Pro Tools na obrtanje faze, pri cemu je jedan kanal smanjen na regleru, a drugi sa trim-om, ili FreeG pokazuje neko desavanje na -130 db, dakle nista cujno...