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DaBear
10-09-2012, 07:13 AM
Evo sta kazu Spanski naucnici o danasnjoj muzici...:D

(Reuters) - Comforting news for anyone over the age of 35, scientists have worked out that modern pop music really is louder and does all sound the same.

Researchers in Spain used a huge archive known as the Million Song Dataset, which breaks down audio and lyrical content into data that can be crunched, to study pop songs from 1955 to 2010.

A team led by artificial intelligence specialist Joan Serra at the Spanish National Research Council ran music from the last 50 years through some complex algorithms and found that pop songs have become intrinsically louder and more bland in terms of the chords, melodies and types of sound used.

"We found evidence of a progressive homogenization of the musical discourse," Serra told Reuters. "In particular, we obtained numerical indicators that the diversity of transitions between note combinations - roughly speaking chords plus melodies - has consistently diminished in the last 50 years."

They also found the so-called timbre palette has become poorer. The same note played at the same volume on, say, a piano and a guitar is said to have a different timbre, so the researchers found modern pop has a more limited variety of sounds.

Intrinsic loudness is the volume baked into a song when it is recorded, which can make it sound louder than others even at the same volume setting on an amplifier.

The music industry has long been accused of ramping up the volume at which songs are recorded in a 'loudness war' but Serra says this is the first time it has been properly measured using a large database.

The study, which appears in the journal Scientific Reports, offers a handy recipe for musicians in a creative drought.

Old tunes re-recorded with increased loudness, simpler chord progressions and different instruments could sound new and fashionable. The Rolling Stones in their 50th anniversary year should take note.

disco violence
10-09-2012, 09:36 AM
Loudness je izgleda jedino oružje pomoću kog današnja muzika može da uđe u uvo.

fix3r
10-09-2012, 09:44 AM
Mislim da sam taj clanak postovao na jednoj temi, verovatno o Skrillex-u :D
Matematika bi se svela na onu iz osnovne skole kad bi je nepismeni praktikovali a mi ih uzdizali u nebesa. Srecom pa se to (jos uvek) ne desava. Zasto to radimo sa muzikom, ne znam.

Inace, obavezno pogledati film "Idiocracy" kad je vec rec o "zaglupljivanju".

Braca
10-09-2012, 11:17 AM
Pa nije samo loudness problem, oni posebno govore o siromastvu ideja i presipanju iz supljeg u prazno, sto se negde poklapa i sa mojim razmisljanjima koje sam ovde iznosio

Bockie
10-09-2012, 01:01 PM
Meni jako nedostaje dinamika. Mislim na dinamiku kao izraz u muzici, gradacija, naglašavanje, sve to praktično više ne postoji...

Ko ima još uvek "vu-metar", šta god pustiš, stoji "zalepljen za nulu"... Nema ushićenja kada neki deo pesme "pukne", ili se nešto naglasi, jer je sve već naglašeno i prenaglašeno...

Kaže Zoki da sam ja zarobljen u '80. , ali meni jednostavno to nedostaje, dinamika, dešavanje, a ne sa prvim tonom "full blast", histerija, distorzija, to zamara...

Radio pustim i posle 3 pesme sam umoran, nervozan...Šta god da puste...!

Em je "mleveno" u produkciji, em dodatno sjebano raznim broadcast "Mengele"-limiterima...

Slušam neki dan na netu Chris Rea, žvaće zvuk, izgore čoveče...užas...
...to uopšte ne zvuči tako, to je masterovano na -20 rms ili koliko već...

Sva ta pojačala i kućni uređaji, niko nikad ne pojača preko 2 podeljka (od 10), a tek preko pola pojačala "zasviraju"... Imaš volume, pa "drkni"...

..ne znam...

:razmislja:

HeatMan
10-09-2012, 03:23 PM
ma niko vishe ni ne slusha muziku, nego im je to samo propratna stvar (chast izuzetcima).. i osim toga shto je shuffle ubio dinamiku, mislim da bi svi ti ljudi kojima je muzika propratna stvar (kojih je na zalost 90% ako ne i vishe) konstantno chuchali pored plejera sa rukom na volume potu ne bi li sami smanjili dinamiku..

al zato svi sede u kaficima gde muzika gruva i kao prichaju i lepo im je.. pakao

secam se pre 7/8 godina kad sam upisao dizajn zvuka na bk, kad su mi ovo pustili kao MEGA produkciju
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOwiq1_jns
ja sam se blago recheno zgrozio

a shto se radija tiche i njihove kompresije, cale je imao obichaj da ukljuchi radio ujutru kad se probudi.. mene je tako bolela glava od toga i uvek budem jaako nervozan nakon pola sata te torture.. upravo zbog toga shto mi nije propratna melodija (kao njemu) jer ja ne mogu da slusham na taj nachin..