usb audio interfejs do 180 e

[manem78]

Pozdrav!

Planiram kupovinu USB zvucne kartice, pre svega zbog laptopa, pa me zanima koja bi mi najvise odgovarala?
Dao bih do 180 e.
Sto se tice opreme koju koristim to je Propellerhead Reason 4.0 + Cubase + Emu Xboard 61.
Jako mi je bitan latency. Na mom matorom SB Live-u sam izvlacio 8ms (moze i nize, ali da ne preterujem) sa Kx project driverima i to mi je savrseno odgovaralo. Da li cu moci da postignem ovakav rezultat sa USB karticom?

[Perfect-Harmony]

Budi malo precizniji sta zelis tj sta ti osim latencije zavrsava posao ... koliko ulaza , izlaza , sa preampom , bez preampa , sa FX Dsp-om bez FX Dsp-a ....

[Bockie]

U tom cenovnom rangu ima jedno simpaticno resenje:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:02W4TIZWajOGTM:http://www.turntablelab.com/images/content/5/1/51321.jpg
Ima midi in,USB1.1,XLR pre sa 48v,
Focusrite signal processing: Gate, Compressor, EQ, Reverb;
Novation FX: Super Nova II Filter (low-, high- and band-pass), Super Nova II Delay, Super Nova II Chorus, Super Nova II Phaser
4 izlaza (2 stereo) i.t.d...
izvor: NS Artist

[Perfect-Harmony]

Ili mozda pre EMU opcija
http://www.turnkey.co.uk/tk/6059.jpg

Sample Rates: 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4, 192kHz from internal crystal (no sample rate conversion)*
Bit Depth: 24-bit I/O, 32-bit processing
USB 2.0 Hi-Speed

- Full 24-bit resolution at all sample rates
- 4in/4 out channels from 44.1-96kHz
- 2 in/2 out channels from 176.4-192kHz
Zero-latency direct hardware monitoring (disabled at 176.4-192kHz)
Windows: ASIO2, WDM, MME - AC3 and DTS Passthru supported
Macintosh: Apple CoreAudio and CoreMIDI - AC3 and DTS Passthru supported
Anti-Pop speaker protection minimizes noise during power on/off
Ultra-low jitter clock subsystem: < 500ps RMS in PLL mode (48kHz, Coaxial S/PDIF Sync)

Combo Microphone Preamplifier/Hi-Z/Line Inputs (2)

Type: E-MU XTC™ combo mic preamplifier and Hi-Z/line input w/ Soft Limiter
A/D converter: AK5385A
Gain Range: +60dB
Frequency Response (min gain, 20Hz-20kHz): +0.0/-0.16dB
Stereo Crosstalk (1kHz min gain, -1dBFS): < -110dB
Hi-Z Line Input:

- Input Impedance: 1Mohm
- Max Level: +12dBV (14.2dBu)
- Dynamic Range (A-weighted, 1kHz, min gain): 113dB
- Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted, min gain): 113dB
- THD+N (1kHz at -1dBFS, min gain): -101dB (.0009%)
Microphone Preamplifier:

- Input Impedance: 1.5Kohms
- Max Level: +6dBV (+8.2dBu)
- EIN (20Hz-20kHz, 150ohm, unweighted): -127dBu
- Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted, min gain): 112.5dB
- THD+N (1kHz at -1dBFS, min gain): -101dB (.0009%)
- Phantom Power: 48V
- Soft Limiter: 5dB max compression (software selectable)

Analog Line Outputs (2)

Type: balanced, AC-coupled, 2-pole low-pass differential filter
D/A converter: AK4396
Level (auto detect):

- Professional: +12dBV max (balanced)
- Consumer: +6dBV max (unbalanced)
Frequency Response (20Hz - 20kHz): 0.06/-.035dB
Dynamic Range (1kHz, A-weighted): 117dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted): 117dB
THD+N (1kHz at -1dBFS): -100dB (.001%)
Stereo Crosstalk (1kHz at -1dBFS): < -114.5dB

Headphone Amplifier

Type: Class-A power amplifier
D/A converter: AK4396 (shared with Line Out)
Gain Range: 60dB
Maximum Output Power: 20mW
Output Impedance: 22ohms
Frequency Response (20Hz-20kHz): +0.06/-0.035dB
Dynamic Range (A-weighted): 114dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio (A-weighted): 114dB
THD+N (1kHz, max gain): 600ohm load: -95.5dB (.0018%)
Stereo Crosstalk (1kHz at -1dBFS, 600 ohm load): < -85dB

Digital I/O

S/PDIF*:

- 2 in/2 out coaxial (transformer coupled)
- 2 in/2 out optical
- AES/EBU or S/PDIF format (software selectable)
MIDI

- 1 in, 1 out

Synchronization

Internal crystal sync at 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4, 192kHz
External sample rate sync via

- Optical S/PDIF (44.1 - 96kHz)
- Coaxial S/PDIF (44.1 - 96kHz)

* Macintosh analog operation up to 96kHz and digital operation up to 48kHz only at this time.


Retail Box Contents

E-MU 0404 USB 2.0 AudioPod
USB cable (2 meters)
Quick Start installation guide
E-MU Software/Manual CD-ROM (Windows/Macintosh)
- Windows XP and x64 Drivers
- Macintosh OS X Drivers
- Owner's Manual and Tutorials
E-MU Production Tools Software Bundle CD-ROM (Windows)
- Cakewalk SONAR LE
- Steinberg Cubase LE
- Steinberg Wavelab Lite
- Celemony Melodyne essential
- IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE
- SFX Machine LT
- Minnetonka diskWelder BRONZE (trial)
E-MU Production Tools Software Bundle CD-ROM (Macintosh)
- BIAS Peak Express 5
- Celemony Melodyne essential
- IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE
- SFX Machine LT
- Minnetonka diskWelder BRONZE (trial)
E-MU Proteus? VX CD-ROM - over 1000 sounds included (Windows)
Ableton Live Lite 4 for E-MU CD-ROM (Windows/Macintosh)

[Bockie]

Odlicna karta. Nisam siguran da je u rangu do 180?,mislim da kosta vise, i nema dsp!

[Perfect-Harmony]

Odlicna karta. Nisam siguran da je u rangu do 180?,mislim da kosta vise, i nema dsp!


Mislis na Novation ili EMU ?

[milos]

Mislim da bi ovaj emu interfejs mogao da krka barem 6ms latencije bez problema. ja sam imao PCI varijantu i bio je bang for buck.
Doduse, sada sa Apogee Duetom koji ide preko FW mogu da stavim 32 sempla buffer size i da shljaka komotno :wink:

[Perfect-Harmony]

Mislim da bi ovaj emu interfejs mogao da krka barem 6ms latencije bez problema. ja sam imao PCI varijantu i bio je bang for buck.
Doduse, sada sa Apogee Duetom koji ide preko FW mogu da stavim 32 sempla buffer size i da shljaka komotno :wink:

Ma moze on i ispod 6ms ako se potrudi hehe

[Bockie]

Mislim na E-mu. Odlican,ali je skuplji od Novationa za nekih 25-30? od prilike po netu...
Novation je tu negde u ceni koju covek pominje. Sa emuom ce dobiti vise preampa (a sta ce mu?) i nema focusrite+novation dsp a drugo je isto,manje - vise... A ja od kako imam UAD,bezim od DX i VSTova ko djawo od krsta... ...mrkli mrak!
Dakle, DSP je veliki + u odnosu na pomrcinu krekovanih plugova...

U toj ceni - Novation
U ceni 200+? - E-mu.
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[Perfect-Harmony]

Mislim na E-mu. Odlican,ali je skuplji od Novationa za nekih 25-30? od prilike po netu...
Novation je tu negde u ceni koju covek pominje. Sa emuom ce dobiti vise preampa (a sta ce mu?) i nema focusrite+novation dsp a drugo je isto,manje - vise... A ja od kako imam UAD,bezim od DX i VSTova ko djawo od krsta... ...mrkli mrak!
Dakle, DSP je veliki + u odnosu na pomrcinu krekovanih plugova...

U toj ceni - Novation
U ceni 200+? - E-mu.
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Moze da se nadje EMU do 180 bez problema ... a sto se tice DSP-a on je strukturno isti kao 0404 PCI znaci ima odvijen FX DSP ( EMU POWER FX ) .... Opet kazem koliko je meni poznato za 0202 usb ( nisam imao priliku da probam ) ali stari 0404 me je jako jako lepo sluzio i moze da se nadje po neki zanimljiv FX realno ....

[Bockie]

Sumnjam, al ajd...

Nije ni bitno, dobra je i jedna i druga , za svoju cenu nude fer opcije i to je to.

[Perfect-Harmony]

Sumnjam, al ajd...

Nije ni bitno, dobra je i jedna i druga , za svoju cenu nude fer opcije i to je to.

Pa bas taj fazon .... Koliko para toliko i muzike ;)

[milos]

[quote=Big Bockie;250942A ja od kako imam UAD,bezim od DX i VSTova ko djawo od krsta... ...mrkli mrak!

.[/quote]
A Waves SSL4K i API, Sonnox...?

[Bockie]

Sonnox jedini eventualno priznajem kao uptrebljiv VST.

Jos jedna sprava mocno radi u VST izvedbi i necu jos od nje odustati:

http://images.digitalmedianet.com/2005/Week_22/lovth67w/story/final_mix400.jpg

Jedini maximajzer koji ne sa'ranjuje dinamiku cak i na +7,8,9db...

Doduse imam stariju verziju od ove na slici. Skinut je sa Mekijevih TT Digital mix pulteva za live sound...
(Koji sam dobio ljubaznoscu Everlasta,da ne zaboravim...)

Mozda ima jos nekih svetlih primera,ali 99% mrkla noc u odnosu na cak i najjeftiniji dsp...

Sad ce opet da me pljuju ovi sa Kukubejza i Nintenda , ali subjektivnog sam misljenja da neki Wavesi mnogo bolje rade kao rtas. Cela ssl serija! Nema reckavog prduckavog,plasticnog EQ npr ili kompresori su topliji... ...jednostavno lepse radi...! Ali opet DSP (citaj UAD) je mamara za to...

A sve ovo je opet mrkli mrak za prave analogne uredjaje, ali hebi ga...
...jednog dana...:rolleyes:

[milos]

Pa to, prelaskom da MAc OS X platformu sam izgubio Waves API i Sonnox, a dobio Motu MX4, Soundtoys, DUYi da ne zaboravim LOGIC !!!...
UAD2 ce da mi popuni gep jednog dana...
Pa makar solo pa od nekoga nalog da kupim...:grin:

[LCMTC]

a kakva su vam misljenja o ovoj kartici?
http://www.jam.se/images/items/cache/regular_duafiresm.jpg


na sajtu http://www.thomann.de je na popustu i kosta 111e,
kod nas, kao i u vecini drugih evropskih prodavnica je oko 160e


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The DuaFire is the world's first FireWire audio interface that perfectly supports EWDM technology.
ESI finally adopted the famous EWDM technology to a FireWire Audio interface. Now you can use driver interfaces like ASIO 2.0, GSIF 2.0, MME and WDM simultaneously with the same features that made ESI's PCI audio interfaces famous. Of course, EWDM for FireWire also provides the DirectWIRE technology the virtual digital patchbay and support for very low latency values (as low as 1.5ms or even less).
DuaFire is an ideal mobile recording interface for both laptops and desktop computers. It's flexible inputs allow you to record from a variety of different sources. You can directly connect devices with line level, turntables via the built-in phono preamp, microphones (+48V phantom power support) and Hi-Z signals (e.g. a guitar).
Features



high-grade 24-bit/96kHz analog-digital-converter
high-grade 24-bit/96kHz digital-analog-converter
2 channels of audio input with level controls
microphone preamps and phantom power for XLR inputs (selectable)
Hi-Z input circuitry for guitar and other Hi-Z devices
selectable switch between line-level inputs phono pre-amps
4 line-level audio outputs on rear of unit
direct input monitoring with level control
bus powered via FireWire-Bus or with separate power supply unit (selectable)
support for DirectWIRE 3.0
supports EWDM driver: MME, ASIO 2.0, GSIF 2.0, DirectSound
CoreAudio devices for Mac OS X
Windows Vista, Windows XP, Mac OS 10.3.6 (and higher) compatible
1 headphone output with amp and volume control
world?s first FireWire audio interface with EWDM driver support
bundled with Steinberg Cubase LE 4.0 for PC and Mac

http://www.esi-audio.com/products/duafire/

[LCMTC]

^^ zaboravih da naglasim da je firewire, ali da ne otvaram drugi topik pa sam ovde okacio...

[lesha]

pa recimo da kod u46xl, koja je usb, lose resen izlaz na slusalicama, sve vreme se cuje master signal bez obzira koji kanal se izabere za slusanje.. :rolleyes:

[alavuk]

ja nemam takvih problema na maya44 usb

[LCMTC]

imam i ja maya usb 44 gotovo 4 godine,

al reko ajde ovo da uzmem, jer definitivno je korak dalje u odnosu na maya-u koja se proizvodi vec xx godina... cena je vise nego prihvatljiva...
a meni u principu i ne treba nista bolje od maye, dakle ovo bi bila premija za sad :)

[lesha]

ja nemam takvih problema na maya44 usb
jesi li probao njen izlaz za sluske, tj. da slusas pojedinacne kanale?

[LCMTC]

mislim da to ne moze...
uvek je master na slusalicama....

[alavuk]

maya44 usb prezivljala razne padove na parkete i laminate :))))) hehehehe inace sve pohvale esi firmi na pravljenju JEDNOSTAVNE I FUNKCIONALNE KARTE ... jedini minus jesu cincevi za ulaze ili barem midi in ili out :)))) ali ne smem da se zalim kad imam optiku pa moze da padne neki digitalni sink :)))

drug kaligari bese ima problem sa tom 46uxl ako sam dobro napisao , radi mu na desktopu dok na laptopu pravi problem ili kontra ... mada je kod mene radila na laptopu bez ikakvih problema

[alavuk]

sad cu da probam mislim da ne ...

sve je ok , zavisi kako rutirate out-e , ja sam upravo isprobao u deckadance-u sve to